Matt D Posted October 31 Posted October 31 Only if Rick Knox is the ref. Half the tags in the company follow the rules half the time and it ends up annoying and discordant. Consistently is important. I’d make a bigger deal about how Knox refs and his preferences in kayfabe. Like a judge who always rules a certain way. 4
hammerva Posted October 31 Posted October 31 I didn't watch NWA so maybe I am not getting the best of her but Kamille doesn't do much for me. She is fine in the ring but what little I have seen I don't see her as someone that was apparently deserving a competition between AEW and WWE for. When she does turn on Mercedes I don't really have high hopes for this match as of now.
Zakk_Sabbath Posted October 31 Posted October 31 10 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: What should I watch when this episode goes On Demand? I'm watching the Yankees/Dodgers game. You should probably check the main out for obv reasons, but I thought the tag match was fantastic - despite the fact it didn't main event or happen on PPV, I still thought it worked really well as a moment of "catharsis" both in-story and/or for those among us who aren't the biggest fans of the Bucks. (But mostly, I just wanted to quote you to see if you're on the "Fire Boone" train or not - the fuck was that showing??) 1
Shartnado Posted October 31 Posted October 31 This was awesome! When there is someone who wants to wrestle a limbwork based match with solid psychology with Buddy Matthews, he's always willing and very much able. Darby, Andrade, Copeland and now Cole. Also, two Panama Sunrises and the knee strike is reasonable amount of damage for me to believe Cole can pin Matthews. Darby coming back and good guys sending Moxley Crew packing was nice. Someone is listening. Moxley being totally ready to sacrifice Wheeler had "Most of you will have to make the ultimate sacrifice, but that is a price I'm willing to pay"-energy. Mark Davis coming back to confront Fletcher was also very good and logical move that had to happen at some point! Private Party pulled it off! And they made it seem like they definitely wouldn't! This was fantastic. The shredding of documents afterwards was an unexpected twist. So the tag titles were literally shielding you from people looking into your shady practices?!? Can't wait to see WTF is this about? Kamille vs Statlander was no epic but they definitely kept it together well enough throughout. Now the real endgame was CEO vs Stat. Well, okay. Main event was really good too, but to no surprise, the real endgame was Lashley. Well, at Full Gear, I could see Keith Lee interjecting himself into this, one way or the other. The Halloween decorations were nice. Has Stokley been stuffed into a coffin by Darby at some point? Or was that "Stokley was here" just something he went and wrote on a mock tombstone just for the heck of it? 4
Fighting a man with a perm Posted October 31 Posted October 31 5 hours ago, southofheavy said: Watchin' the highlights on Youtube right now. That's the hottest AEW crowd I've seen in a minute. Looks like this is workin'. Funny you say that because, at least for the first hour, I was thinking how dead the crowd was. OC did not get the reception I expected for one of his rare promos. What is up with the Conglomeration? The bad friends! You've got Ishii and Rocky last week arriving waaaay after Mark was cheated out of his title, then this week Kyle has time to creep on Adam Cole, and also to hang out with Mark and Ishii but none of them decide to help when their denim clad pal is about to have his neck snapped? "The word of the day is unreliable".
StuntmanCrowley Posted October 31 Posted October 31 Snagged tickets for my daughter and I to go to Collision in Philly Saturday night off of gametime. 70 bucks for 2 incluing the fees, i couldn't pass that up, especially when she gets to see a womans title match. 7
tbarrie Posted October 31 Posted October 31 2 hours ago, Technico Support said: This is AEW and the house style is “every tag match is tornado.” See, I wouldn't have a big problem with a promotion that simply didn't have "tag" team matches or titles, but rather made all team-on-team matches tornado-style. You would lose out on all the narrative tropes that have developed over the years for tag matches, but it would be consistent. But as Matt pointed out, AEW doesn't do that. Instead you have guys frequently waiting on the apron for the hot tag, but you also have guys just randomly coming in for spots and facing nothing more than impotent mild disapproval from the ref. It doesn't make sense. It's like the promotion isn't willing to give up those tropes, but also wants to be able to have elaborate Young Buckesque multiperson spots at any point of the match. And trying to have it both ways just muddies things, in my opinion. It doesn't work well, at least for me. 2
The Natural Posted October 31 Posted October 31 16 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said: Snagged tickets for my daughter and I to go to Collision in Philly Saturday night off of gametime. 70 bucks for 2 incluing the fees, i couldn't pass that up, especially when she gets to see a womans title match. Enjoy both of you! 1
NikoBaltimore Posted October 31 Posted October 31 I should preface this by saying I think the world of Adam Cole the person. He seems like a really sweet guy, many love him and his enthusiasm for gaming is great to see (on the note the podcast he has with Evil Uno is worth checking out) As for the wrestler in the past I wasn't quite vocal but I would give him the benefit of the doubt more often than not. With all that said I'm perplexed by the match because there's essentially three stories they're doing that don't blend like they should. First was the feeling out process which looks like something that is done in a wrestling gym to get the kinks worked out. Then the ankle issue happened which would have been fine if it meant the rest of the match was Cole valiantly fighting through it. But after Buddy called him out it turned into Cole essentially overcoming a giant and using all kinds of kicks to take down Buddy. Which is going to be odd considering he has two taller guys in Malakai and I bet Brody to fight next and that's where overcoming a giant would make more sense. This match would have been worlds better if they took out the overcoming the giant part and instead focused on how Cole would pull off a win with a bad ankle. Sure, have Buddy call him out on quitting and get Cole pissed off. And yeah have him pissed off and mean mug for a while. But whatever you do don't have him do pretty much all kicks and knees and instead just find a way to win using a rollup or something. I'm not saying it would have been a masterpiece but the story would have been easier to digest. Instead they kept the giant part and it's all a mess. I'm hoping the rest of the HoB gauntlet leads to better matches but the structure needs to be tightened up. All that said the rest of the show was pretty damn great. I assumed Private Party would lose and they got me pretty good at parts of the match. Really glad to see them win. It's also no coincidence the Bucks were using two of Omega's moves since he's coming back within the next couple months. Women's match was fine and Kamille looked better here than last week's match. And the main was great shit with Swerve having to overcome Shelton and MVP's trash talking at the same time. MVP is a treasure and it was great to hear the crowd give him love. Also, does Rippa or the other Mass Effect fans know about what Swerve's doing with the N7 stuff? Because if not they really should. 5
Curt McGirt Posted October 31 Posted October 31 4 hours ago, Technico Support said: Also guys who dislike egregious spray tans. Holy fuck how does anyone think that shit looks good? Well, it's probably safer than tanning booths. I also wonder if these guys secretly aren't Kyle O' Reilly pale 3
StuntmanCrowley Posted October 31 Posted October 31 42 minutes ago, The Natural said: Enjoy both of you! Thank you. Her first and only wrestling show was Sting's retirement match, so i will have tolet her know to temper expectations because you can't compare any show to an atmosphere like that. It absolutely helps we get a woman's title match and I just saw that Thunder Rosa is wrestling, which will blow her mind because TR is one of her favorites. 6
The Natural Posted October 31 Posted October 31 13 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said: Thank you. Her first and only wrestling show was Sting's retirement match, so i will have tolet her know to temper expectations because you can't compare any show to an atmosphere like that. It absolutely helps we get a woman's title match and I just saw that Thunder Rosa is wrestling, which will blow her mind because TR is one of her favorites. You're welcome. Great first show for your daughter, AEW Revolution 2024 and Sting's last ever match. Glad she gets to see a favourite in Thunder Rosa with hopefully more to come. 4
Go2Sleep Posted October 31 Posted October 31 Most of the show was meh, but that Brandon Cutler horror movie scene with the BCC was a perfect segment for the Halloween themed show. Unless there's some actual plan Hurt Business to square off with BCC, doing both angles concurrently makes no sense. I mean, kayfabe wise sure, Mox probably sees that they respect the business and are trying and all that so no reason to attack them. The structure of the shows becomes insulting to the viewers' intelligence, though. It also results in things like HOB being reduced to enhancement roles for an extremely rusty Adam Cole. 1
NoFistsJustFlips Posted October 31 Posted October 31 One match in the whole first hour? We got a very promo & video heavy first hour. I'm just gonna say it, the new 60s inspired look for Jamie Hayter is actively sabotaging her overness. She is now in negative over territory when she was the biggest star in the women's division before she got hurt. I don't know why she doesn't pivot. Could just be a me thing. But it's just such an out if character look for an ass kicker. Private Party winning was dope. Still not feeling the boring Mox / BCC thing. Did like that there was *some* kind of development from The Bucks leaving. The shredding documents thing was dumb in a fun way like that too lol. I'm normally not one to ever care or be bothered by size differences. But Cole just didn't work the match well with someone that starkly different from his look. He needed to be more of a Piper getting some cheating shit in (yes while a face) and clever offense. Stick & move and eye poke. Superkick and boom stuff would have been fine if they didn't do the ankle deal. But they did. And it was a disservice to do all that to be hopping and posting off the leg so much. Feel like this angle ends with Cole getting a DQ win over Malakai, then losing to Brody. Roderick will get 2 wins also and MJF will make them face each other. Cole wins and Roddy begrudgingly does respect deal after. The at Full Gear Kingdom turn in Cole. MJF wins and moves on. Cole fights through them for awhile. For those that care, the orange ropes didn't bother me a bit! Black, white, red, orange, whatever. As long as they're not multicolored and visually distracting, I'm fine with it. 5
Technico Support Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said: Well, it's probably safer than tanning booths. I also wonder if these guys secretly aren't Kyle O' Reilly pale Sure, but can't they find a more natural spray tan color, one that's somewhere between "Trump" and "probably too close to blackface?" Edited October 31 by Technico Support 1 2
Nice Guy Eddie Posted October 31 Posted October 31 3 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: You should probably check the main out for obv reasons, but I thought the tag match was fantastic - despite the fact it didn't main event or happen on PPV, I still thought it worked really well as a moment of "catharsis" both in-story and/or for those among us who aren't the biggest fans of the Bucks. (But mostly, I just wanted to quote you to see if you're on the "Fire Boone" train or not - the fuck was that showing??) No, I'm not on the "Fire Boone" train. Boone didn't cause Judge to drop the ball, or a bad throw from Volpe, or Cole to not cover first. People love to complain about Boone and Brian Cashman, but if they were to be become available, they'd get snatched up fast. 1
NikoBaltimore Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) 19 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: I'm normally not one to ever care or be bothered by size differences. But Cole just didn't work the match well with someone that starkly different from his look. He needed to be more of a Piper getting some cheating shit in (yes while a face) and clever offense. Stick & move and eye poke. Superkick and boom stuff would have been fine if they didn't do the ankle deal. But they did. And it was a disservice to do all that to be hopping and posting off the leg so much. Feel like this angle ends with Cole getting a DQ win over Malakai, then losing to Brody. Roderick will get 2 wins also and MJF will make them face each other. Cole wins and Roddy begrudgingly does respect deal after. The at Full Gear Kingdom turn in Cole. MJF wins and moves on. Cole fights through them for awhile. So this is what I was trying to say but you summed it up much, much better than I did so thanks. I know Cole's rusty as all hell but to jump right into the MJF angle without at least a couple enhancement matches doesn't work for him. Just because he likes to in his words "jump in the fire" (or something similar, I have Metallica on the brain) doesn't mean he's good at it. I also feel you're right about what happens next and I'm not sure if it'll be as good as they hope it will be. It will tell a better story than last year but it might not help Cole's chances of getting to the level that he feels he is. Edited October 31 by NikoBaltimore 4
Zakk_Sabbath Posted October 31 Posted October 31 1 hour ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: m just gonna say it, the new 60s inspired look for Jamie Hayter is actively sabotaging her overness. She is now in negative over territory when she was the biggest star in the women's division before she got hurt. I don't know why she doesn't pivot. Could just be a me thing. But it's just such an out if character look for an ass kicker. Agreed overall, but for last night, I felt like that moment was set up perfectly for one of the other ladies to compliment her costume, and have her go "what costume?" And was shocked we didn't get it (she was supposed to be Daphne from Scooby-Doo, right?) 4
Technico Support Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Agreed overall, but for last night, I felt like that moment was set up perfectly for one of the other ladies to compliment her costume, and have her go "what costume?" And was shocked we didn't get it (she was supposed to be Daphne from Scooby-Doo, right?) That was the impression I got, but I do agree with @NoFistsJustFlips overall assertion. Unless "Lorraine Warren circa Amityville era" (substitute Enfield Poltergeist for my bruvs) or "extra from Almost Famous" is her new gimmick, I have no idea what she's going for and it's absolutely killing her aura. And her new ring gear is awful, too. Looks like an early 80s Moolah trainee, and that's no way to look. Edited October 31 by Technico Support 5
southofheavy Posted October 31 Posted October 31 5 hours ago, Fighting a man with a perm said: Funny you say that because, at least for the first hour, I was thinking how dead the crowd was. 5 hours ago, Fighting a man with a perm said: Adam Cole Just sayin'. 5
HarryArchieGus Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) Re: BCC and the nWo This feels like a lazy rock critic comparison. The beats between this and the nWo are so completely different. Which contracted AEW wrestler in the BCC is invading the company? The angle is about Moxley wanting to take out complacent wrestlers happy to cash a check. A bully move would be to pick on the little ppl, and that's exactly what they're doing. There's no need for every locker room Horseman and Dungeon of Doom member to band together to stop what they're doing. Between the tight beatdowns this Mox led crew has delivered (minus the inexcusably bad camera angle on the Cutler hammering) and the consistently excellent promos (including the terrific Nigel/Yuta sitdown), I'm a bit sad to see so many missing out on the fun. Edited October 31 by HarryArchieGus 1
NoFistsJustFlips Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) Show, don't tell. The words they're using are saying that the angle is Mox wanting to take out the complacent wrestlers. But what they're actually showing is a group jumping the rail to attack low card dudes and agents. Replace spray painting with neck Pillmanizing. What they're showing isn't matching what they're saying. If they were really going after the complacent wrestlers they'd be attacking champions that don't defend titles. They'd be going after dudes that only work one show. They'd be going after dudes on losing streaks. Outside of Bryan (who does fit the angle), they're just doing generic beat downs on randos. They targeted Private Party and Private Party got their shit together and won the tag team titles. If this is what the angle was about they wouldn't have been fighting with Private Party before their title shot and they would have came back out and clapped for them because that's what they were looking for. It's not that they story they are trying to tell is nWo like. It's that the story they are trying to tell, they're not telling very well. So it's muddy and people are just comparing the similar beats to what they've seen before. Edited October 31 by NoFistsJustFlips 2
AxB Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) The idea of the heel World Champion targeting the undercard guys, that's actually a really good idea. Like you see that in boxing and stuff. But only really works if there's at least one main event babyface challenger he's ducking. Like if Orange Cassidy had challenged Moxley for Full Gear, and Mox refused the match because he's already signed to defend against Alex Reynolds on the PPV, that spells out that he's a cowardly champ who is pretending to be a fighting champion. Edited October 31 by AxB who not why 1
HarryArchieGus Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) 40 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Show, don't tell. The words they're using are saying that the angle is Mox wanting to take out the complacent wrestlers. But what they're actually showing is a group jumping the rail to attack low card dudes and agents. Replace spray painting with neck Pillmanizing. What they're showing isn't matching what they're saying. If they were really going after the complacent wrestlers they'd be attacking champions that don't defend titles. They'd be going after dudes that only work one show. They'd be going after dudes on losing streaks. Outside of Bryan (who does fit the angle), they're just doing generic beat downs on randos. They targeted Private Party and Private Party got their shit together and won the tag team titles. If this is what the angle was about they wouldn't have been fighting with Private Party before their title shot and they would have came back out and clapped for them because that's what they were looking for. It's not that they story they are trying to tell is nWo like. It's that the story they are trying to tell, they're not telling very well. So it's muddy and people are just comparing the similar beats to what they've seen before. Absolutely, the reason why I posted on the tired faction comparison. Well I guess we differ on how well the story is being told. That said, I mostly agree on the Private Party portion. The brutal loss they took at the hands of the BCC was no way to build to a Tag Title win. I resented the losers being inserted into a PPV title match after that. As much as I liked the Tag Title match tonight, I await to see what Quen/Kassidy do when not being heavily carried by the Bucks. Needless to say I haven't been terribly impressed with their Rampaging/Collisioning. Your reading of Moxley targeting complacent wrestlers would be correct if he were a babyface. He's not. He's a delusional bullying heel, and this exactly why he picks on ppl below his weight class. I don't think Pillmanizing Chuck Taylor after the OC parking lot segment was rando or generic. The crew momentarily turning on Yuta tonight also didn't feel generic or rando nor does much of anything they've done. I don't see Pillmanizing a person's head and laughingly spray painting/branding a person's back as the same. They're about as far apart as the nwo to the bcc. Edited October 31 by HarryArchieGus 1
NoFistsJustFlips Posted October 31 Posted October 31 (edited) I won't waste too much time trying to sway you because we just aren't going to agree. I enjoy AEW. I much prefer it to WWE even when there's flaws I think could be done better. But the posts you generally make don't hold a lot of weight with me because you cover for everything they do and kind of just blame the people disliking it for not understanding the greatness being displayed in front of them. You don't have a whole lot of credibility in the objectivity category. But hey we both want a fun & healthy AEW to watch. If you're already there and having fun with what's being presented I'm happy for you. Edited October 31 by NoFistsJustFlips 2
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