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1 hour ago, Casey said:

All of this talk about whether we should be using Jindrak, Ryback or Mojo as an example... I mean, Luther Reigns is right there.

Feels like Riddick Moss is a right answer, too.

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We can joke about the Brakkuses and the Renee Duprees but god damn, just look at the aforementioned Ryback and Braun Strowman.  Both guys got big pushes (Strowman moreso), both main evented PPVs, and both were off the main roster 5-6 years after they started.  It's just anecdotal and maybe other people here can give more examples or even contradicting ones, but if this is the track record with guys they build from the ground up, where they're trained, used up, and spit out in less than a decade, that just sucks and probably isn't worth it for whatever college football washouts or American Gladiators alternates they might be able to lure.

Also, I'm still laughing over "we need people who can main event Wrestlemania!"  Like motherfucker this shit is a work anybody can main event Wrestlemania.

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2 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

It's just anecdotal and maybe other people here can give more examples or even contradicting ones, but if this is the track record with guys they build from the ground up, where they're trained, used up, and spit out in less than a decade, that just sucks and probably isn't worth it for whatever college football washouts or American Gladiators alternates they might be able to lure.

I mean, Braun and Ryback both made quite a bit of money in those five or six years.  According to Wrestling Observer, Braun was making around $1.5 million when he was released.  I guess he and Ryback had a bunch of gigs lined up that were going to pay them $5-$10 mil.  CZW?  Impact?

Braun said he made more from his WWE run than he did in Strongman contests and whatever else he was doing.  5-6 years seems like a decent run.  Most careers in pro sports don't last that long.  For that matter, most acting gigs don't last that long (on the same show).  

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23 minutes ago, Eoae said:

I mean, Braun and Ryback both made quite a bit of money in those five or six years.  According to Wrestling Observer, Braun was making around $1.5 million when he was released.  I guess he and Ryback had a bunch of gigs lined up that were going to pay them $5-$10 mil.  CZW?  Impact?

Braun said he made more from his WWE run than he did in Strongman contests and whatever else he was doing.  5-6 years seems like a decent run.  Most careers in pro sports don't last that long.  For that matter, most acting gigs don't last that long (on the same show).  

Well sure, man, but life is fucking long.  Strowman is 37.  Ryback was 35 when he was released.  Sure, maybe those ages are comparable to other sports, but don't other sports have pensions?  I mean whatever, if there are guys who want to do it, that's cool.  It just seems crazy to me that anyone would want to get trained from the ground up to have a career that would only last a handful of years, especially when you factor in injuries (Strowman's back is fucked and he has partial paralysis in one leg), the aforementioned lack of retirement plan, and the idea that their training doesn't really prepare you to work anywhere else.

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Can we stop talking about how much money someone made like it fucking matters? It doesn't. The reality is that the vast majority of everyone making that much money is really bad with money. If they're not bad with it then they think that income is always going to be there and they live like that. 

The more money you make, the more your expenses increase. Not everyone is a Punk or Foley where they never elevate their expenses. 

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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

Also, I'm still laughing over "we need people who can main event Wrestlemania!"  Like motherfucker this shit is a work anybody can main event Wrestlemania.

Didn't Bryan Danielson main event Mania one year? Like, the Miz main evented Mania one time, and so did Seth Rollins. None of them played College Football.

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Today marks one year of Roman Reigns as WWE Universal Champion. Hell of a run. Year plus world champions in WWE since Randy Savage held the WWF Championship from March 1988-April 1989:

John Cena, WWE Championship, September 2006-October 2007.

CM Punk, WWE Championship, November 2011-January 2013.

AJ Styles, WWE Championship, November 2017-November 2018.

Brock Lesnar, WWE Universal Championship, April 2017-August 2018. Longest reign in the title's history.

Adam Cole, NXT Championship, June 2019-July 2020. Longest reign in the title's history.

Pete Dunne, NXT United Kingdom Champion, May 2017-April 2019.

WALTER, NXT United Kingdom Champion, April 2019-August 2021. Longest reign of the modern era. 870 days.

Trish Stratus, WWE Women's Champion. January 2005-April 2006. Longest brand split reign in the title's history.

Becky Lynch, WWE RAW Women's Champion. April 2019-May 2020. Longest reign in the title's history.

Bayley, WWE Smackdown Women's Champion. October 2019-October 2020. Longest reign in the title's history

Asuka, NXT Women's Champion, April 2016-September 2017. Longest reign in the title's history.

Shayna Baszler. NXT Women's Champion, October 2018-December 2019.

Kay Lee Ray. NXT UK Women's Champion. August 2019-June 2021. Longest reign in the title's history.

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25 minutes ago, The Natural said:

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Today marks one year of Roman Reigns as WWE Universal Champion. Hell of a run. Year plus world champions in WWE since Randy Savage held the WWF Championship from March 1988-April 1989:

John Cena, WWE Championship, September 2006-October 2007.

CM Punk, WWE Championship, November 2011-January 2013.

AJ Styles, WWE Championship, November 2017-November 2018.

Brock Lesnar, WWE Universal Championship, April 2017-August 2018. Longest reign in the title's history.

Adam Cole, NXT Championship, June 2019-July 2020. Longest reign in the title's history.

Pete Dunne, NXT United Kingdom Champion, May 2017-April 2019.

WALTER, NXT United Kingdom Champion, April 2019-August 2021. Longest reign of the modern era. 870 days.

Trish Stratus, WWE Women's Champion. January 2005-April 2006. Longest brand split reign in the title's history.

Becky Lynch, WWE RAW Women's Champion. April 2019-May 2020. Longest reign in the title's history.

Bayley, WWE Smackdown Women's Champion. October 2019-October 2020. Longest reign in the title's history

Asuka, NXT Women's Champion, April 2016-September 2017. Longest reign in the title's history.

Shayna Baszler. NXT Women's Champion, October 2018-December 2019.

Kay Lee Ray. NXT UK Women's Champion. August 2019-June 2021. Longest reign in the title's history.

While I don't think every title reign should be Verne Gagne-d, I wish Vince would be happy enough with the money he's made, leave the belts on people for longer and allow them to build up more momentum, Bianca Belair being a prime recent example of how not to do it.

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WWE issued an internal memo this morning via email, advising that Adam Cole was no longer with the company.

As we reported last week, the company considered him done unless he came to terms on a new deal, which did not happen.    The company considered him gone as if 8/24, as PWInsider.com reported at the time.

Cole is free to sign anywhere he wants, including WWE should the two sides opt to negotiate a new deal.  As we noted last week, one would think AEW and just about every other major promotion would be interested as well. 

 

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6 hours ago, AxB said:

Didn't Bryan Danielson main event Mania one year? Like, the Miz main evented Mania one time, and so did Seth Rollins. None of them played College Football.

Sorta...   They did not want Bryan to main event WM.  That has been well documented.  They did so only after fans begged and begged and Hunter and Steph said "old man.. just let them have this one"  

Miz "main evented" by name only..  The match was about the build for Cena and The Rock.  

 

 

 

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The first Performance Center class to be chosen under the new WWE Talent Scouting directive have reported to the PC:

Minneapolis’ Bobby Steveson, the brother of 2020 Olympic gold medalist Gable Steveson, stands 6-feet tall and weighs 220 pounds. He wrestled at the University of Minnesota, the same alma mater as his brother, former World Champion Brock Lesnar and Raw Superstar Shelton Benjamin.

Twenty-year-old Ben Buchanan is a former Alabama state high school wrestling champion from Ranbourne, Ala. He was undefeated in the 285-pound weight class during the 2019-2020 season. The 6-foot-4, 250-pounder is also the son of former WWE Tag Team Champion Bull Buchanan.

Brady Booker comes to the Performance Center from the world of college football, having played middle linebacker at the University of South Dakota. Also a skilled archer, the 21-year old hails from Lasalle, Ill., stands 6-foot-3 and weighs 245 pounds.

Jessica Woynilko is a 21-year-old gymnast, bodybuilder and CrossFit athlete from Prior Lake, Minn. As a gymnast, she specialized in tumbling and trampoline, competing on the 2016 U.S. national team.

Joseph Fatu of Las Vegas is the younger brother of SmackDown Tag Team Champions Jimmy & Jey Uso and the son of WWE Hall of Famer Rikishi. The 6-foot-2, 240-pounder has two years’ experience in sports-entertainment and played football in college.

Twenty-three-year-old Joshua Dawkins of DeBary, Fla., is the latest trainee of WWE Hall of Famer D-Von Dudley to be signed to the WWE Performance Center. The 6-foot-1 recruit is also the nephew of NBA legend Darryl Dawkins. 

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Really good sizes if true heights, few of those men have indy experience.  Still, to be realistic lot of the new men WWE will hire will just be perma-midcarders to fill up space.

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