Craig H 11,021 Posted October 7, 2019 How could anyone see that as a finish by ref stoppage?! Seth is warned multiple times to NOT use the sledgehammer. Seth proceeds to use the sledgehammer and the ref immediately calls for the bell. That's a DQ finish damn near EVERY time. It's just like in other matches where the ref repeatedly warns someone to not use a chair, then they do so anyway, and the ref immediately calls for the bell. That's a DQ finish. This reeks of them trying to save any kind of face by calling it a finish by ref stoppage. Technically it is a ref stoppage because the ref stopped the match just like they would in other DQ finishes. WWE has done ref stoppages before and the ref checks on the person to see if they're out and then they call for the finish and announce a winner. Trying to say this was a ref stoppage after the fact just shows how much more of a clusterfuck it was and how poorly thought out it was. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheVileOne 1,987 Posted October 7, 2019 IMHO a referee stoppage is a TKO and a decisive finish. That's not what happened here. And also, it's a Hell in a Cell match. When has a HIAC ever been stopped for use of a weapon like that? And also the referee having a moral argument with Seth Rollins like he's a fucking superhero talking down Punisher or Wolverine from killing someone. 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StuntmanCrowley 197 Posted October 7, 2019 Fuck. That. That's all I have to say. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Go2Sleep 1,409 Posted October 7, 2019 I'm always down for heel Asuka. Too bad about the rest of the show, but luckily for WWE, AEW thinks a Jack Swagger debut is a "first live weekly show closing" worthy moment, so they didn't fall too far behind in the booking race this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoneWolf&Subs 4,674 Posted October 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Go2Sleep said: I'm always down for heel Asuka. Too bad about the rest of the show, but luckily for WWE, AEW thinks a Jack Swagger debut is a "first live weekly show closing" worthy moment, so they didn't fall too far behind in the booking race this week. Judging by live reactions, you can’t compare the two. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NikoBaltimore 3,516 Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Judging by live reactions, you can’t compare the two. Agreed. I don't like Swagger one bit but the reactions for him and last night are on opposite ends of the spectrum. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Fowler 13,784 Posted October 7, 2019 Remember about 22 years ago (#ChristI'mOld) when they used red lighting for all of Kane's matches for about two months before apparently realizing how bad it looked? Neither do they, I guess. 4 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eivion 2,865 Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Craig H said: How could anyone see that as a finish by ref stoppage?! Seth is warned multiple times to NOT use the sledgehammer. Seth proceeds to use the sledgehammer and the ref immediately calls for the bell. That's a DQ finish damn near EVERY time. It's just like in other matches where the ref repeatedly warns someone to not use a chair, then they do so anyway, and the ref immediately calls for the bell. That's a DQ finish. This reeks of them trying to save any kind of face by calling it a finish by ref stoppage. Technically it is a ref stoppage because the ref stopped the match just like they would in other DQ finishes. WWE has done ref stoppages before and the ref checks on the person to see if they're out and then they call for the finish and announce a winner. Trying to say this was a ref stoppage after the fact just shows how much more of a clusterfuck it was and how poorly thought out it was. The ref asked Seth not to do it because it wasn't who he was. He didn't warn that it would qualify as a dq. I mean no matter what it was a shitty and just generally piss poorly executed finish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReiseReise 550 Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Phil4126 said: I did crack up at the ref apparently not noticing or caring that Nikki’s face is green and that Asuka has green down the front of her. It’s cool. I thought Cross turned her head away from the ref and Asuka pulled Cross' hair over here face, so I think it was done in the best way possible. I really thought the Tornado Tag was the best match on the show. I wasn't too high on Becky vs Sasha (and I'm a huge Becky Fan), but it was pretty much what people praise in modern wrestling so I can see what people liked about it. Edit: The main Event is amazing. It killed multiple finishes, two characters, a few thousand eyesights and an entire crowd. Edited October 7, 2019 by ReiseReise 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig H 11,021 Posted October 7, 2019 That's lame as fuck and overly theatrical. If you're in the crowd, all you see is the ref arguing with Seth. Hell, even watching it at home, he looks like he's warning Seth. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheVileOne 1,987 Posted October 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Eivion said: The ref asked Seth not to do it because it wasn't who he was. He didn't warn that it would qualify as a dq. I mean no matter what it was a shitty and just generally piss poorly executed finish. Fuck that referee having a moral debate with Seth Rollins over a use of a weapon in a damned hell in a cell match. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheVileOne 1,987 Posted October 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Remember about 22 years ago (#ChristI'mOld) when they used red lighting for all of Kane's matches for about two months before apparently realizing how bad it looked? Neither do they, I guess. Hell they did it more recently with Sin Cara. It looks like shit. No one wants to watch a wrestling match bathed in some bad lighting filter 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
West Newbury Bad Boy 10,794 Posted October 7, 2019 12 hours ago, J.T. said: I like Becky and all but she makes things boring by constantly clearing out the top contenders in the division. Sasha comes back to major heat and fanfare only to be killed dead decisively in two straight title matches? Whose the next challenger? Ruby Riott? Ember Moon? Natalya? Fuck that division. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FluffSnackwell 689 Posted October 7, 2019 You guys are being optimistic in believing the Kabuki Warriors won't be losing their asses off in non-title matches. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
For Great Justice 526 Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Ok, Corey. WWE is approaching DC Comics levels of resetting their universe at this point. Shit they’ve probably already passed that. Bisch should rename his podcast to 52 Weeks. Edited October 7, 2019 by For Great Justice 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
West Newbury Bad Boy 10,794 Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said: But if you don't like Alvarez then might wanna listen to B&V as I think this finally drove him into a state of madness. I'm listening. Sounds like the same smug dweeb he is the rest of the time. And now I'm listening to Bryan Alvarez. Curses! Edited October 7, 2019 by West Newbury Bad Boy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FluffSnackwell 689 Posted October 7, 2019 Stomping Alexa twice would only get Becky to the Royal Rumble before needing another challenger. Hopefully Becky has plenty of material about scraping leprechaun guts off her boots ready, instead of having to resort to head injury-based humor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FluffSnackwell 689 Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Surely Corey Graves isn't referring to the Fiend and Seth Rollins being separated by The Draft, because that means The Fiend is the lame ass kind of monster that is respectful of mandates telling him which brand he's exiled to. Also they'll have to make Seth Rollins exclusive to one brand even though he's Universal Champion. Edited October 7, 2019 by FluffSnackwell 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gonzo 1,986 Posted October 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, For Great Justice said: Ok, Corey. WWE is approaching DC Comics levels of resetting their universe at this point. Shit they’ve probably already passed that. Bisch should rename his podcast to 52 Weeks. That would make sense if WWE didn't already have an annual "reset" every April or so. But they do, so it doesn't. And besides. . .nobody is forgetting what happened last night any time soon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niners Fan in CT 13,297 Posted October 7, 2019 11 hours ago, Cleavy said: Natalya and/or Naomi? Naomi is dealing with a personal matter and Natalya... HAHA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rehabilitated Rick 1,872 Posted October 7, 2019 tough crowd. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rehabilitated Rick 1,872 Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Sasha losing was the right result. Becky should not be beaten decisively yet. Not when the Ronda match is on the table. As for Becky's next potential opponents, Ruby Riott is a good suggestion. Hell give Liv Morgan a shot. I wouldn't be mad at extending the Sasha feud through Survivor Series. Plenty of options. Edited October 7, 2019 by Rehabilitated Rick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raziel 7,568 Posted October 7, 2019 Sasha losing again might cause her fans to march on Stamford, or just bitch about it on Twitter and still watch the show. One of those two. Still, Becky doesn't really have anywhere to go. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve 1,004 Posted October 7, 2019 I still think she might lose it the night of the draft or something, I'd be surprised if she ended up staying on RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
