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sevendaughters

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7 minutes ago, Casey said:

wasn't the Vince tanning salon thing a story that resurfaced again from years ago? It's semantics, but I remember reading about that in the mid 2000s, like '06 or something?

Apologies, it was 2006, I read the resurfaced story from this year. 

Genuinely feel that DAVE has atoned here but beating him down is just part of the ignorance of wrestlertwitter (along with defending his wild dickishness). 

Genuinely think if you're a WWE fan you're not in a position to take any moral high ground at all. Not saying don't watch. But in one hour we could collectively rattle off tales that make Vince and senior management look as conspiratorially awful as the Catholic Church. 

It's an awful and exploitative business/artform. Arguably necessarily so. Even your progressive favourites like PROGRESS are in bed with WWE whilst pretending to care about inclusivity. 

Anyway, wasn't Kenny Omege racist three weeks ago? It's gonna blow over. 

SorceressKnight

SorceressKnight

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31 minutes ago, sevendaughters said:

Apologies, it was 2006, I read the resurfaced story from this year. 

Genuinely feel that DAVE has atoned here but beating him down is just part of the ignorance of wrestlertwitter (along with defending his wild dickishness). 

Genuinely think if you're a WWE fan you're not in a position to take any moral high ground at all. Not saying don't watch. But in one hour we could collectively rattle off tales that make Vince and senior management look as conspiratorially awful as the Catholic Church. 

It's an awful and exploitative business/artform. Arguably necessarily so. Even your progressive favourites like PROGRESS are in bed with WWE whilst pretending to care about inclusivity. 

Anyway, wasn't Kenny Omege racist three weeks ago? It's gonna blow over. 

But even those lines say it all as well. 

Being a wrestling fan means turning a blind eye to a lot of bad things. Done by EVERY wrestling promotion. Even the progressive ones...heck, even the holy New Japan has its own skeletons in the closet, so if you defend Meltzer based on "bu, but New Japan has good workratez so it couldn't possibly do anything wrong, and New Japan's prophet as such didn't do anything wrong!", you also need to look at the things they did too. 

 

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sevendaughters

sevendaughters

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2 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said:

But even those lines say it all as well. 

Being a wrestling fan means turning a blind eye to a lot of bad things. Done by EVERY wrestling promotion. Even the progressive ones...heck, even the holy New Japan has its own skeletons in the closet, so if you defend Meltzer based on "bu, but New Japan has good workratez so it couldn't possibly do anything wrong, and New Japan's prophet as such didn't do anything wrong!", you also need to look at the things they did too. 

 

yep. Honma's abuse issue, various dojo beatings, Necrobutcher, Elgin, Rich Swann...i even know a tale of a semi-known worker who was notoriously awful to a string of women before getting a break, wrestling is a grimy place. Maybe it will organically change but right now you accept it or you leave or you are on some level hypocritical however well meaning you are

SorceressKnight

SorceressKnight

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Or maybe everyone in the world is a flawed individual, and part of growing up is realizing everyone in the world, including yourself, is a flawed individual, no one in all of humanity is perfect, putting people on a pedestal is only done to make it hurt that much more when they fall down so you can get the schadenfreude of saying "Just because I think you're better than me, YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME?" while hoping someone doesn't look at the bad things you did in the past- or even perfectly fine or even considered "good" things in the past that became bad things as time marches on, so that someone else can look at you and say "Well, YOU'RE not better than ME!", and just being a fan of something does not necessarily mean you support everything that has ever been done by that people...and even if you ARE somehow that "truly good person" you're just a holier than thou asshole and so you're STILL a bad person. 

Everyone sucks. Watch wrestling. 

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odessasteps

odessasteps

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21 minutes ago, sevendaughters said:

yep. Honma's abuse issue, various dojo beatings, Necrobutcher, Elgin, Rich Swann...i even know a tale of a semi-known worker who was notoriously awful to a string of women before getting a break, wrestling is a grimy place. Maybe it will organically change but right now you accept it or you leave or you are on some level hypocritical however well meaning you are

With NJPW, I guess you start with Inoki, even if he doesn’t own the company anymore. 

AxB

AxB

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1 hour ago, SorceressKnight said:

 you're just a holier than thou asshole

I'll have you know my asshole is the holiest hole in all of hole-dom.

Dewar

Dewar

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17 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

This immediately stood out to me.

Arrested in 2013 for domestic violence.

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John from Cincinnati

John from Cincinnati

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7 hours ago, Casey said:

Not THE bone, but I've read WWE seems to think Meltzer and his business had a hand in helping ROH/NJPW sell out MSG and they aren't too happy about it.

Okay. Today will also be confusing. 

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Victator

Victator

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16 hours ago, Beech27 said:

I’m also pretty uncomfortable with the idea that taking a WWE check necessarily breaks your moral compass, or renders one complicit in all past actions.

Life is a series of compromises from the day we are born to the day we die. 

But honestly, it is not Dave Meltzer pressuring women to get implants while also expecting them to wrestle a more dangerous style. 

 

 

47 minutes ago, Firebreaker Chip said:

He sounds like kind of a dick

He's a heel, he should be. 

Guest Edwin

Guest Edwin

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Got that fire extinguisher in case them notes burst into flames...

ChesterCopperpot

ChesterCopperpot

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On 8/15/2018 at 5:14 AM, Casey said:

Sean Ross Sapp says SummerSlam will be in Toronto next year.

Triple H was on local radio here yesterday saying Toronto fans will be happy with a few announcements coming up soon regarding a PPV - so hopefully 

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Victator

Victator

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8 minutes ago, Edwin said:

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Got that fire extinguisher in case them notes burst into flames...

As a slob/borderline hoarder myself, I guarantee you this is AFTER he straightened up. 

Ryan

Ryan

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39 minutes ago, Victator said:

Life is a series of compromises from the day we are born to the day we die. 

Our lives are a fight to the death. Wait, I'm not Low Ki, disregard this post.

Ryan

Ryan

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19 minutes ago, Victator said:

As a slob/borderline hoarder myself, I guarantee you this is AFTER he straightened up. 

It's only showing half the room too, Imagine what's off camera. Also, this is years ago, I wonder if he's got a new room full of just crates of things he hasn't looked at in 20 years.

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Bustronaut

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11 minutes ago, Matt D said:

Have you ever seen this from Australian Dateline?

 

Didn't we have a flirtation this fed some years back?  It was the new hot thing for a while

Dewar

Dewar

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13 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Samoa Joe is the best. GIVE THAT MAN THE TITLE.

I thought he was better when he was lighter.

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