The Man Known as Dan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I was just pointing out that his stretch with the E is underrated. I think he's been good in LU in multiple different roles, though he hasn't been one of there very best performers (Puma, Muertes, Fenix, and Pentagon take those honors) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 It's the Mundo work that's shown me it was Sheamus making him look good. I spent a couple of years thinking he had just figured things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 MNM was fucking awesome. Morrison's simply a tag team specialist. MNM and Miz/Morrison both had too high a volume of good matches for that to be a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 None of those matches were great, imo. Some were good. Others were just solid. Even the dude who wrote paragraphs about how good Morrison was pretty much says "Well, his offense was wacky, he wasn't a good talker, but his moves were pretty and he was kind of cool. So I guess I just like him.". It's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I'm 100% with Dragon. Morrison is great and has always been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I can't qualify someone that only hits his finisher clean 1% of the time as above "decent" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 MNM was fucking awesome. Morrison's simply a tag team specialist. MNM and Miz/Morrison both had too high a volume of good matches for that to be a fluke. Which I'd be fine with, but I just think he has too high a volume of good singles matches for him to be written off as "just that" I think Morrison is one of those guys who you can pick out weaknesses or stuff he does that annoys you and thats all well and good, but really good matches are really good matches, and he had a lot of them in his career, and generally always pulled out something really good when given a big opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 From what I've seen Morrison has had some pretty good Lucha Underground matches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoeTg7nsA_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKYSn7kqlLs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 What's wrong with being decent? I would fucking kill to be decent at anything? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 None of those matches were great, imo. Some were good. Others were just solid. Even the dude who wrote paragraphs about how good Morrison was pretty much says "Well, his offense was wacky, he wasn't a good talker, but his moves were pretty and he was kind of cool. So I guess I just like him.". It's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Please point to me which matches on that list were just "good" and which were just "solid", because there aren't many on that list I wouldn't buy as being one of the 10 best main show matches of the year if they had gone down in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 What's wrong with being decent? I would fucking kill to be decent at anything? You are a decent DVDVR playa named Phil, Chief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 What's wrong with being decent? I would fucking kill to be decent at anything? I just think it's underplaying a guy who was pretty kickass for a pretty decent stretch of time when the E was kinda directionless. I think Morrison's ECW and Smackdown runs had a lot of really cool stuff, back in the day and age when those were significantly better shows then Raw, and Morrison was a rather large part of that. Morrison reminds me of a more well rounded Jeff Hardy around the same time. There was shit you can pinpoint about Jeff that wasn't great, but overall he was really getting the crowd behind him, and he was having matches people really liked. I think some times you just have to look at some of the minor things and let them pass for the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Has Lesnar had a noticeable positive impact on buy rates, ratings, or ticket sales? Or has the novelty run its course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Has Lesnar had a noticeable positive impact on buy rates, ratings, or ticket sales? Or has the novelty run its course? He popped one buy rate in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 From what I've seen Morrison has had some pretty good Lucha Underground matches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoeTg7nsA_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKYSn7kqlLs I think the main thing his time in LU showed is that much like I thought with the E, he's significantly better portraying a heel then he is a face. He can play a face to a good degree, but when he can use his flashy stuff as a means to be arrogant it works much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 That I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Has Lesnar had a noticeable positive impact on buy rates, ratings, or ticket sales? Or has the novelty run its course? He popped one buy rate in three years. In the era of the WWE Network, buy rates mean less than nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Also, I'm not sure anything was worse than trying to start a "Mr. Ziggles" chant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Here's another Lucha Underground Mundo match I like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Mundo's best matches were when he was playing heel and working with somebody better than him. The All Night Long match was so much fun and way better than I was expecting but a lot of it was clearly planned out. Great spotfest that made all of the big spots matter with good build up. The Ultima Lucha match with Alberto was probably even better than that and he was great bouncing around for a fired up Alberto. I thought the cage match with Cuerno was a huge letdown. Again, he was playing face, so it's not all that surprising in hindsight but it was just a bunch of nonsensical stuff tossed out there without a coherent string to tie anything together. He's got lots of tools but I'd never expect him to lead a match which is funny because he's always at his best as a heel. Maybe that's why the blow-off matches where the face gets a lot of offense in and he's selling his ass off are generally his best matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Who would have thunk that The Miz would actually be the TE guy who has gone the furthest? Put everything aside for a minute-- this is a regular guy who stumbled onto MTV (Real World even before TE) and, yada yada yada, main evented a Wrestlemania with John Cena and The Rock for the WWE title. Puck or Coral or the guy who hit the girl in public can't say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If WWE is planning on putting that guy from TE in the Rumble to take a shoot beating they should be advised that there is a lawsuit that should probably make them reconsider. Just saying the optics on that might not look good to a jury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 That'd be extremely hard to prove unless they literally beat the guy down. A few potatoes could be waved away as part of the job. Not that I'm advocating it. I really hope they don't even waste a spot on that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I always forget that Miz was a Tough Enough guy. Probably because his season was the only one to not have a stand alone show and only take place on episodes of SmackDown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If he did go in the Royal Rumble he would definitely get the Daniel Puder treatment where he was fed to Eddie Gurrero, Chris Benoit, and Bob Holly and just got beat up for about 5 or 6 minutes. Seem to remember his chest just getting killed in the match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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