Niners Fan in CT Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 That's all I've been arguing. There are plenty of issues with the movie to discuss but some of these criticisms don't hold up and just feel like piling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 "Most blatant signed the Burton films" Examples from the the Burton films. Uh..What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I misread and for whatever reason thought is said "than" and not "since". My bad. My shot at the Nolan's still stands. If Batman didn't sit out for 8 years having a sad while the city magically got better because of 1 law, he wouldn't have been out of shape and everyone who died in TDKR might have lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 On a whole, I wasn't a huge fan of TDKR. It has some really strong points, but the pacing is such a fucking mess and it's pretty dull until the last act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 16 minutes ago, Raziel403 said: My shot at the Nolan's still stands. If Batman didn't sit out for 8 years having a sad while the city magically got better because of 1 law, he wouldn't have been out of shape and everyone who died in TDKR might have lived. I thought the reason he was out of shape was because his knee was all fucked up from falling off that ledge when he killed Harvey Dent? Although then he put on a magic kneebrace and could suddenly kick his skinny atrophy-quadricepped leg through bricks no problem, so maybe he was actually OK... We're getting close to making a case that there has never been a logically plotted (live action) Batman movie, aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, AxB said: We're getting close to making a case that there has never been a logically plotted (live action) Batman movie, aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 As much as I dislike the way they speed through the Two-Face stuff at the end, The Dark Knight is still a masterful crime film that stands up extremely well. Also, the plotting on Batman & Robin is actually pretty tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarrie Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 50 minutes ago, AxB said: We're getting close to making a case that there has never been a logically plotted (live action) Batman movie, aren't we? Next thing you know somebody will argue that dressing up like a bat to fight crime is actually a pretty silly idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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APO Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 48 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: As much as I dislike the way they speed through the Two-Face stuff at the end, The Dark Knight is still a masterful crime film that stands up extremely well. Also, the plotting on Batman & Robin is actually pretty tight. Wish that Nolan would've saved Two-Face for Rises instead. Have Harvey flip the coin at the end of TDK and then have him and Talia be the main villains. Would've probably been a lot better than the half-assed Knightfall we did get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, APO said: Wish that Nolan would've saved Two-Face for Rises instead. Have Harvey flip the coin at the end of TDK and then have him and Talia be the main villains. Would've probably been a lot better than the half-assed Knightfall we did get. We all wish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligerbusa Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Jingus, were you annoyed Superman's greasy hair didn't catch on fire at the capitol building? 500 Mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Ligerbusa said: Jingus, were you annoyed Superman's greasy hair didn't catch on fire at the capitol building? Actually, almost, yeah. I was thinking "why is he so CLEAN? He was just in a fucking explosion. He should have suit and dirt and dust all over him." And another thing, for anyone claiming I'm being unfairly nitpicky against a bad movie because of whatever; I did the exact same nitpicking about the Daredevil show over in that thread. And I LIKED that show a lot better than I liked BvS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Except most of your nitpicks for Daredevil can be explained with logical explanations or scenes and dialogue you weren't paying attention to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Most of what I've read makes me think that maybe some folks missed a lot of what was going on in both properties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 11 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: Except most of your nitpicks for Daredevil can be explained with logical explanations or scenes and dialogue you weren't paying attention to . Except, while I did admittedly miss some stuff in that second episode, half of your "logical explanations" boiled down to "that just didn't bother me, so why should it bother you?". And I noticed you were remarkably quiet for my complaints about episode 8, most of which were gigantic plot holes for which there were no explicable excuses. 4 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Most of what I've read makes me think that maybe some folks missed a lot of what was going on in both properties. That's a hell of a thing to say, coming from a guy who keeps missing things written in plain English in these posts, complaining "But you never ever mentioned X, and you totally believed Y!" when Y was never mentioned but X explicitly was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Jingus said: That's a hell of a thing to say, coming from a guy who keeps missing things written in plain English in these posts, complaining "But you never ever mentioned X, and you totally believed Y!" when Y was never mentioned but X explicitly was. I had no idea you were heavily involved in the Daredevil thread. I just finished watching it tonight. Yeah, I'm not going to go around in circles here. The Waynes death scene all of four minutes in the opening credits boils down to just something you didn't want to see. So right out the gate it's not so much these are "problems".. as much as it's not the story you wanted DC to tell. Plus, you told me Norton's Hulk didn't cover the origin when it did. This whole thing is futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 "One thing shouldn't have bothered you because it didn't bother me, and this other thing was half a mistake so clearly I can ignore the dozens of other specific problems you had with the movie!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Here's a fun article on what's going on with Niners in this thread. It's called the "backfire effect" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 If I were Niners and really wanted to die on this hill, I'd go through the Phase 3 thread and grab all the people who are shitting on Supes quotes of them giving Cap a pass for being a holier-than-thou douche who acts like he's smarter aND better than everyone else. Or wait a month when they give Civil War a pass for most of the same shit they're beating on BvS for. If I were Niners and wanted to die on this hill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Gonna see this today. Never watched MoS. Would it make any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Cap *is* smarter and better than everyone else, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 50 minutes ago, steve said: Gonna see this today. Never watched MoS. Would it make any difference? Not really. They recap some of MoS in the beginning, and a lot of the stuff that might seem incomprehensible isn't from MoS; it's just groundwork for Justice League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I think the thing that annoys me the most about the Snyder superhero disaster porn in MoS and BvS is Supe's apparent indifference to it all and it is ironic that MoS is the direct antithesis to Superman 2. In MoS, Superman and Zod demolish half of Metropolis fighting each other just as Superman and Faora nearly level Smallville in their respective brawl. Supes is rather cavalier about the aftermath when the smoke clears and his only real display of anguish comes after snapping Zod's neck..... something that the real Superman would never do. Contrast that with Superman 2, where Richard Lester is brilliant enough to show Superman taking stock of the collateral damage and injury caused by the battle and choosing to withdraw to lure Zod, Ursa, and Non to neutral ground rather than see anyone else gets hurt or cause further destruction. AND EVERYONE MISTAKES IT FOR COWARDICE~! Lester and Donner do indeed take a turn for the absurd in the blatant attempt to avoid having Superman's victory come by way of the deaths of the three villains, but you can still appreciate the idea that Lester understands the character of Superman enough to engineer a bloodless victory. One thing I will give Snyder kudos for is knowing his audience. Nearly all of the male comic book nerds in attendance marked out in unison when Major Ferris (Christina Wren) from MoS showed up again in BvS, What is it about demure women in uniform? Thanks to the selective amnesia surrounding the Green Lantern abortion (YAY, DEADPOOL~!), we still don't know if Major Carrie Ferris will eventually end up turning out to be the Carol Ferris that becomes Star Sapphire. If they decide to pour Wren into that tiny purple thingie: sign me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 WB doing reshoots for SUICIDE SQUAD to make it funnier Thus confirming my earlier suspicion that the Queen trailer probably wasn't representative of the actual tone of the movie. But good that they're correcting that. Hope Jai Courtney hadn't shaved the mutton chops yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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