BurningBeard Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Heyman explained it perfectly on the newest Stone Cold Podcast. The WWE is all about the face being the be all end all. Everything revolves around them. You know if something happens they'll get their revenge. In the NWA, it was about the journey of the face trying to get that revenge. Was just about to post that. WWF booking is about the destination, NWA booking is about the journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Coaster Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 The most amazing thing about this is that just about a year ago the WWE embarked on one of their most amazing journey's ever (the Daniel Bryan climb to the title). Whether it was what they planned or not, that was the ultimate example of southern style wrestling. EDIT: I should say the ultimate example of the "journey" not just the generic term southern style wrestling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobholly138 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 "southern wrestling" doesn't even exist in the South It does. But it is mainly in indies that no one online talks about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I have such an emotional disconnect from WWE these days and I'm okay with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 There's nothing wrong with protecting the company gravy train. If Wyatt can't bounce back from that then he doesn't deserve a top spot. Yeah, if Wyatt can't bounce back from being red hot and then given absolutely nothing to do other than job then that's his fucking problem! If you don't realize what the problem is with not pushing anyone strongly outside of Cena then look at the numbers. They made a ton of budget cuts. People are losing their jobs. They are begging people to buy the network. People are simply not interested. I'm not blaming it all on Cena but that's part of it. "same old shit" is appropriate. There is nothing captivating about their current storylines. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 When you set up people for failure, often times they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Is something going on with Undertaker, health-wise? Or is everyone on Facebook just a moron? Why not both? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 What is the health rumor? Hang nail? Chronic plaque psoriasis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Vince McMahon was responsible for how strong John Cena was portrayed on this week's WWE RAW. Vince wrote and put together all material for Cena this week. Vince reportedly felt that with Brock Lesnar dominating their match at SummerSlam, some of Cena's fans may lose faith in him unless he made an immediate, strong statement on RAW. Oh fuck you, Vince. You short sighted old fuck. There's nothing wrong with protecting the company gravy train. If Wyatt can't bounce back from that then he doesn't deserve a top spot. I think Vince could arguably have a point if the plan is for Brock to win at NOC. It took 16 suplexes to keep Cena down, so it is in his character to be back the next night if at all possible, and if the plan is just to have him squashed again, you might as well build him back up strong before it happens. Now, if the plan at NOC is supercenawinslol, then it doesn't make sense to bring him back strong instead of giving him a "journey" back to the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Or have Cena come out on Raw visibly injured and shaken. Or better yet, have the authority put him into a match against Wyatt when he shouldn't be cleared and have the Wyatts manhandle him. Wyatt gets the win he deserved, Cena get the sympathy build. Everybody wins. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Clearly you hate children. Do you hate children? Because it seems like you do. (j/k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Or have Cena come out on Raw visibly injured and shaken. Or better yet, have the authority put him into a match against Wyatt when he shouldn't be cleared and have the Wyatts manhandle him. Wyatt gets the win he deserved, Cena get the sympathy build. Everybody wins. But that eats into the idea Cena can hang with Lesnar at Night of Champions. Every bit of offense Cena gets in this rematch eats into Brock and weakens him for his rumored headlining slot at Wrestlemania. Putting the title back on Cena at this point is probably the dumbest thing they can do. If they make this another 15-minute squash, that's fine, but anything else hurts Lesnar. Fantasy booking time~!: Brock should've told HHH to hang it up his ass and then go home with the belt. HHH panics and starts a UFC-style interim title. Cena doesn't wanna wrestle for it, 'cause it seems cheap, but he does so anyway because he's a Company Man. Interim title as company focus until a unification match at Royal Rumble, where Brock squashes the interim champ flat to get even stronger going into Wrestlemania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Or have Cena come out on Raw visibly injured and shaken. Or better yet, have the authority put him into a match against Wyatt when he shouldn't be cleared and have the Wyatts manhandle him. Wyatt gets the win he deserved, Cena get the sympathy build. Everybody wins. But that eats into the idea Cena can hang with Lesnar at Night of Champions. Every bit of offense Cena gets in this rematch eats into Brock and weakens him for his rumored headlining slot at Wrestlemania. Putting the title back on Cena at this point is probably the dumbest thing they can do. If they make this another 15-minute squash, that's fine, but anything else hurts Lesnar. Fantasy booking time~!: Brock should've told HHH to hang it up his ass and then go home with the belt. HHH panics and starts a UFC-style interim title. Cena doesn't wanna wrestle for it, 'cause it seems cheap, but he does so anyway because he's a Company Man. Interim title as company focus until a unification match at Royal Rumble, where Brock squashes the interim champ flat to get even stronger going into Wrestlemania. Does this count as Cena's 16th reign or is it more like 15.5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Does this count as Cena's 16th reign or is it more like 15.5? It would damage kids' faith in him if he were to not be credited with a full reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I wonder if Vince employed this logic at WrestleMania IX. "We can't have Hogan around just being Brutus's partner. The kids will lose faith in him! Make him champion NOW!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 WM IX would have been so much better if Money Inc just destroyed Hogan. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 WWE counts Cena's win over Mysterio as a reign. That reminds me. Remember when they stripped Punk of the title and scheduled a tournament around crowning a new champ. Put it on Mysterio in his last taste of the main event. Had a week to think about what they did and hotshot the title right back onto Cena? Memories.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aricandover Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 - More focus on family/relationships - The southern promotions were ruled with families whether it be The Armstrong's, The Fuller's, The Anderson's or others. The WWF never really got that. This! Whether it was family members or just friends, in Southern wrestling guys always had other guys they could count on. In the WWF/E this has never been the case, nobody is boys with anybody else until you're told they are out of the blue. I remember recently, with Big Show's turn (during the Laurenitis shit), John Cena made a big deal about his friend turning his back on him. Before Cena mentioned it, they were never portrayed as having anything to do with one another. It's why War Games always worked for me, the faces were down with one another vs. the heel stable, while Survivor Series was always just some random dudes tossed together with no prior association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 - More focus on family/relationships - The southern promotions were ruled with families whether it be The Armstrong's, The Fuller's, The Anderson's or others. The WWF never really got that. This! Whether it was family members or just friends, in Southern wrestling guys always had other guys they could count on. In the WWF/E this has never been the case, nobody is boys with anybody else until you're told they are out of the blue. I remember recently, with Big Show's turn (during the Laurenitis shit), John Cena made a big deal about his friend turning his back on him. Before Cena mentioned it, they were never portrayed as having anything to do with one another. It's why War Games always worked for me, the faces were down with one another vs. the heel stable, while Survivor Series was always just some random dudes tossed together with no prior association. You don't know that. How do you know that Conquistador Uno and Arn Anderson didn't have beers together after a long day on the road? Who's to say that Ken Patera isn't the godfather of Scott Casey's children? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 WWE counts Cena's win over Mysterio as a reign. That reminds me. Remember when they stripped Punk of the title and scheduled a tournament around crowning a new champ. Put it on Mysterio in his last taste of the main event. Had a week to think about what they did and hotshot the title right back onto Cena? Memories.... They literally put the belt on Cena like 10 minutes later. Rey didn't even get the dignity of going to sleep as WWE Champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 WWE counts Cena's win over Mysterio as a reign. That reminds me. Remember when they stripped Punk of the title and scheduled a tournament around crowning a new champ. Put it on Mysterio in his last taste of the main event. Had a week to think about what they did and hotshot the title right back onto Cena? Memories.... They literally put the belt on Cena like 10 minutes later. Rey didn't even get the dignity of going to sleep as WWE Champion. People give Hogan shit for some of the douchey things he did as a face but I think Cena swooping in and taking the belt from Rey trumps anything Hogan did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Wrestlemania ix was worse. I just watched it again recently. It's comical. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 We at least got a pretty good match out of Cena and Rey. So yeah, WM9 was far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooks Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 - More focus on family/relationships - The southern promotions were ruled with families whether it be The Armstrong's, The Fuller's, The Anderson's or others. The WWF never really got that. This! Whether it was family members or just friends, in Southern wrestling guys always had other guys they could count on. In the WWF/E this has never been the case, nobody is boys with anybody else until you're told they are out of the blue. I remember recently, with Big Show's turn (during the Laurenitis shit), John Cena made a big deal about his friend turning his back on him. Before Cena mentioned it, they were never portrayed as having anything to do with one another. It's why War Games always worked for me, the faces were down with one another vs. the heel stable, while Survivor Series was always just some random dudes tossed together with no prior association. You don't know that. How do you know that Conquistador Uno and Arn Anderson didn't have beers together after a long day on the road? Who's to say that Ken Patera isn't the godfather of Scott Casey's children? I have no idea why this struck me like It did, but I literally laughed out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtalkingwall Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 WWE counts Cena's win over Mysterio as a reign. That reminds me. Remember when they stripped Punk of the title and scheduled a tournament around crowning a new champ. Put it on Mysterio in his last taste of the main event. Had a week to think about what they did and hotshot the title right back onto Cena? Memories.... They literally put the belt on Cena like 10 minutes later. Rey didn't even get the dignity of going to sleep as WWE Champion. People give Hogan shit for some of the douchey things he did as a face but I think Cena swooping in and taking the belt from Rey trumps anything Hogan did.Did Cena lose in the first round of that tournament? The night where Rey won the title and then Cena went to the GM and whined about how he needed his rematch and it wasn't fair that he never got his rematch, so he got to face Mysterio for the title on the same night Mysterio won the title really turned me off of WWE's booking of Cena. Up until that point, I could understand that Cena was going to win, and would sometimes act like a dick. I just don't know what sort of privileged, sociopathic monster could script Cena to whine to the authorities about how unfair he was being treated and demanding he get a chance to fight a guy 1/4 his size right after that guy had a match, and think that this comes across as a likable or even respectable person.Reading between the lines, I think Rey signed a new contract just before this happened, so he probably demanded a world-title reign and they gave him one, albeit only for 90 minutes or whatever. Edit: For what it's worth, I did really like that Rey/Cena match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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