Dirty J. Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 This been posted already? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 So watching the Paul Heyman documentary part of the DVD and yeah this as good as people thought it would be. If you are an ECW fan I would argue this is a better DVD than the Rise and Fall DVD many years ago in showing the company. some thoughts on watching this: 1. The basic story of Paul Heyman early years is that he basically stuck his foot in the door even when he didn't deserve to see the door to begin with. The ultimate opportunist. I mean the story of him sneaking into Dusty's booking meeting and bullshitting his way to the top after getting caught was awesome. 2. I wonder how they got Memphis footage from 1987. I remember hearing that Lawler selling parts of the library to the WWE and it would get shown on the Network. Maybe that was it or it was Heyman personal footage. 3. There is so much backstage footage of ECW it is unbelievable and I really wondering where they got it. Did Heyman run a camera in the back the entire time or was this Feinstein's footage never seen before. The best part of this was Heyman trying to get a solid promo of Big Val Puccio and he is screaming at him and holding him. There is also a story of Heyman apparently waking up in his sleep to tell Tommy Dreamer and Ron Buffone that an edit needs to be fixed. This is a glimpse of ECW that most people really hasn't seen I think. 4. The only major negative I have with the documentary was that the end of WCW was almost completely ignored. It went from the Dangerous Alliance being the best stuff there to he was fired. Heyman gives a good excuse in that there was a lawsuit that they couldn't talk about but nobody else said nothing else include Ross who Heyman talked about 5. The relationship of Heyman and Ross is really interesting. You can see the respect but you can also see that Ross has wanted to beat the piss out of Heyman hundreds of times. 6. Really good stuff from Tommy Dreamer. Tommy description of the new ECW as the child of a divorce who is living with someone and has to follow in their rules even if the original father hates it is really solid. Joey Styles is always really good at holding no punches and especially his hatred of the 2005 version of ECW. 7. According to Paul, the original Alliance angle was Shane McMahon buying ECW in 2000. That would have been intriguing. Looking forward to see the blu ray exclusives after this. Definitely would recommend it but I would think most people on here will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 7. According to Paul, the original Alliance angle was Shane McMahon buying ECW in 2000. That would have been intriguing. In 2000? When ECW was still limping along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 So Vince would do that promo where he asks the audience who they should hire? "Danny Doring up? Danny Doring down? Is this thing on?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre013 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 The Heyman interview on the Jericho podcast was great as well. Promoted wrestling while working at Studio 54 and that was the start of it. It was a perfect marriage, easy access to coke for the boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 7. According to Paul, the original Alliance angle was Shane McMahon buying ECW in 2000. That would have been intriguing. In 2000? When ECW was still limping along? possibly when TNN went from ECW to WWE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 He didn't say when in 2000 this plan was hatched so it wouldn't be too suprising if it was near the end of the year when the company was damn near dead. So far the highlight of the Heyman extras was Paul E Dangerously's Danger Zone in the AWA with Ted E Bear and that he used the Jimmy Snuka ECW's "THE MOLTEN LAVA" promo twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 In this proposed 2000 Invasion angle, how would they have handled Austin's return? Paul Heyman running down Austin as a way to try to kill the WWF would've been an interesting twist. Heyman would've knocked the promo out of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Just for a quick peek outside the bubble, a non-fan friend of mine e-mailed this to me, and asked me if it was from an episode of Raw: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'm watching the Heenan DVD and they mentioned that he was diagnosed with stage four cancer in late 1999 I always wonder about what would've happened if they had caught it earlier and were able to remove it. Could you imagine if Bobby Heenan had been able to appear on WWE TV periodically over the past 13 years? With the authority figure thing becoming big at this time, Heenan could've returned for that. He would've been a hilarious general manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Just for a quick peek outside the bubble, a non-fan friend of mine e-mailed this to me, and asked me if it was from an episode of Raw: Would a gay demon be part of the gay community? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'm watching the Heenan DVD and they mentioned that he was diagnosed with stage four cancer in late 1999 I always wonder about what would've happened if they had caught it earlier and were able to remove it. Could you imagine if Bobby Heenan had been able to appear on WWE TV periodically over the past 13 years? With the authority figure thing becoming big at this time, Heenan could've returned for that. He would've been a hilarious general manager. Sonuva bitch, I'm now imagining Heenan in the Invasion. Would've still turned out the same, but to have Heenan outshine Lawler on the mic every night ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 God we could have had Heenan as lacky to General Manager Kurt Angle on Smackdown. Could have changed everything. Everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubbymark Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Heenan and Heyman doing commentary together? Holy hell that would have been amazing. Or to hear hear Heenan tell Lawler the following: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggulator Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Would anyone have better than Heenan as the temporary evil GM who ends up humiliated and begging for his job when Vince returns shtick?Speaking of Vince, here he is talking about the importance of silence as a storytelling tool.I would love to see a documentary of Vince breaking down his favorite angles and matches and moments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubbymark Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Would anyone have better than Heenan as the temporary evil GM who ends up humiliated and begging for his job when Vince returns shtick? Speaking of Vince, here he is talking about the importance of silence as a storytelling tool. I would love to see a documentary of Vince breaking down his favorite angles and matches and moments. He'd have to put on a weasel suit for X amount of time to get his job back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnowsWrestling Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 When do new dvds show up on the network? As a big Paul e mark I'd love to see it but I've move on to digital only. Did player is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Man, could you imagine if we had gotten Bobby Heenan as SmackDown General Manager for all those years instead of Teddy Long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Paul Heyman is clearly one of the best of all time because he has fucking worked so many people into thinking he is more than just a sleeze bag and a terrible businessman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Paul Heyman is clearly one of the best of all time because he has fucking worked so many people into thinking he is more than just a sleeze bag and a terrible businessman. Speaking of... I really want to hear Gorilla and Jesse on my TV. Even when RAW is terrible they would make it sound like it's fucking AWESOME and we'd be stupid to turn it off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I'd love to hear Monsoon and Heenan call a modern day RAW. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Them too. I've never been able to decide which team I love more. All I know is that they are about a billion levels above this Cole, Lawler and JBL team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Paul Heyman is clearly one of the best of all time because he has fucking worked so many people into thinking he is more than just a sleeze bag and a terrible businessman. Depends on what "more" means. He is those things plus other things that are great, like a great actor and fantastic writer and booker and a spellbinding presence. You could say then that he is "more" meaning more things than those two you mentioned. Or you could say that those other things don't make him "more" than his essence, which is that he is a sleaze bag and a terrible businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Them too. I've never been able to decide which team I love more. All I know is that they are about a billion levels above this Cole, Lawler and JBL team. To be fair, I would even argue that Tony Schiavone, Mike Tenay and an extremely unmotivated Bobby Heenan are better than what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 3. There is so much backstage footage of ECW it is unbelievable and I really wondering where they got it. Did Heyman run a camera in the back the entire time or was this Feinstein's footage never seen before. The best part of this was Heyman trying to get a solid promo of Big Val Puccio and he is screaming at him and holding him. There is also a story of Heyman apparently waking up in his sleep to tell Tommy Dreamer and Ron Buffone that an edit needs to be fixed. This is a glimpse of ECW that most people really hasn't seen I think. Seconding everything here, but especially this one. Everyone focuses on the lost gem matches they would dig up if they ever got free reign to WWE's archives, but between the revelation of this stuff and a lot of the behind the scenes on that History of Wrestlemania documentary from a couple years back, I would think there's tons of this sorts of footage that I would find just as compelling as having access to every Kaz Hayashi match from Worldwide. And holy shit, actual corroboration on Paul Heyman having some sort of history with Studio 54, at the very least for the party with Ric Flair and Bam Bam Bigelow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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