APRIL WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

[odessasteps]

I'd think there would be a fair amount from the crockett library for his early to mid 80s stuff.

I saw someone post in the CWF Facebook group post a match on youtube that featured Senior and Junior in a tag match from the 70s.

[ChesterCopperpot]

The Coach talks Vince McMahon

 

 

On an infamous prank Vince McMahon pulled on him: “What you read and heard was 100% true. The thing about WWE is you have to be accepted on many different levels. From 2003 on, I was one of the boys. If you were willing to put your neck on the line and get in the ring, that separates you from everybody else. Up until that point, I had to be accepted into the crew, so to speak. Basically, Jerry Brisco came up to me in 2001 in Fayetteville, North Carolina, and he said he wanted me to run a football pool. $10 to pick all the games, and everybody did it. And I started on a Tuesday, it was a Smackdown taping, I’ll never forget it.

I had my own room I did interviews in, and all the sudden two cops show up. They were very serious, and said I understand you’re running a gambling pool. You sold one to one of our undercover cops here. It’s a felony in North Carolina and we’re going to have to take you in. So we’re walking down the hallway, and we stop in front of Vince’s office, and they said we should probably let him know because you’re not going to be here for a while. We walk in and it’s Vince, Triple H, Stephanie, The Rock, Kevin Dunn and Jerry Brisco. I should have known that, with Jerry in the room, something was going on, but I was so terrified because I was 26 years old. The real cops proceeded to tell Vince they’ve caught me in a gambling pool and we need to take him downtown. Vince got in my face, and he was an inch away from my nose. He was cursing, telling me my priorities were bad, and spending company time to run a gambling pool. This entire riff lasted 45 minutes. At the end of the office bit, the officer said it was $1,500 to get me out, and Vince said F-no, he’s on his own. They handcuffed me, and I asked if there was anything I could put over my face. Vince threw me a pair of sweaty gym shorts that got stuck on my face. I walked out of the office and the first person I see is The Undertaker. He looks at me with shock, and it was so real because no one else was in on it except those people in the office.

They walked me out, and all the fans could see me and they drove me about a mile down the road, and got a call on the radio that they had to come back to pick up something. They turn around, come back, and everyone’s there with Vince in front of everybody laughing their asses off. Greatest rip in the history of the business, and for about 10 minutes I literally walked to a place in the building and started crying. I thought my career was over. I thought how can I tell my dad I got fired over a $10 football pool.”

[Ramsey]

The problem with Cowboy Bob is that we don't have a ton of footage of him pre-WWF. 

I would hope that as the network expands, we might see more of his mid-atlantic run. What I have seen of him reminds me of Barry Windham or (for a stranger comparison) circa 1995 Akira Taue. A big lanky guy that could sort of do everything well even when his build said he shouldn't.

[odessasteps]

And their common usage of the superplex.

[Patrick B.]

Always wonder why they never reference Cowboy Bob when Randy does the superplex.  The hepatitis thing?

[Ramsey]

And their common usage of the superplex.

If I remember correctly, doesn't Cowboy Bob get credited with inventing the superplex? I know it was his finisher for a stretch and he was the first guy I ever saw use it.

[Craig H]

 

The Coach talks Vince McMahon

 

 

On an infamous prank Vince McMahon pulled on him: “What you read and heard was 100% true. The thing about WWE is you have to be accepted on many different levels. From 2003 on, I was one of the boys. If you were willing to put your neck on the line and get in the ring, that separates you from everybody else. Up until that point, I had to be accepted into the crew, so to speak. Basically, Jerry Brisco came up to me in 2001 in Fayetteville, North Carolina, and he said he wanted me to run a football pool. $10 to pick all the games, and everybody did it. And I started on a Tuesday, it was a Smackdown taping, I’ll never forget it.

I had my own room I did interviews in, and all the sudden two cops show up. They were very serious, and said I understand you’re running a gambling pool. You sold one to one of our undercover cops here. It’s a felony in North Carolina and we’re going to have to take you in. So we’re walking down the hallway, and we stop in front of Vince’s office, and they said we should probably let him know because you’re not going to be here for a while. We walk in and it’s Vince, Triple H, Stephanie, The Rock, Kevin Dunn and Jerry Brisco. I should have known that, with Jerry in the room, something was going on, but I was so terrified because I was 26 years old. The real cops proceeded to tell Vince they’ve caught me in a gambling pool and we need to take him downtown. Vince got in my face, and he was an inch away from my nose. He was cursing, telling me my priorities were bad, and spending company time to run a gambling pool. This entire riff lasted 45 minutes. At the end of the office bit, the officer said it was $1,500 to get me out, and Vince said F-no, he’s on his own. They handcuffed me, and I asked if there was anything I could put over my face. Vince threw me a pair of sweaty gym shorts that got stuck on my face. I walked out of the office and the first person I see is The Undertaker. He looks at me with shock, and it was so real because no one else was in on it except those people in the office.

They walked me out, and all the fans could see me and they drove me about a mile down the road, and got a call on the radio that they had to come back to pick up something. They turn around, come back, and everyone’s there with Vince in front of everybody laughing their asses off. Greatest rip in the history of the business, and for about 10 minutes I literally walked to a place in the building and started crying. I thought my career was over. I thought how can I tell my dad I got fired over a $10 football pool.”

 

 

This is amazing. It's not even a great wrestling rib. This is possibly an all-time great prank. Wow.

 

Someone should write a book on wrestling pranks. It would be pretty funny. Or a documentary in the vein of the Aristocrats.

[Ace]

 

The problem with Cowboy Bob is that we don't have a ton of footage of him pre-WWF. 

I would hope that as the network expands, we might see more of his mid-atlantic run. What I have seen of him reminds me of Barry Windham or (for a stranger comparison) circa 1995 Akira Taue. A big lanky guy that could sort of do everything well even when his build said he shouldn't.

 

 

I completely slept on Bob until I saw some early 90s IWCCW footage of him on one of those Kit Parker DVDs. He was so smooth and his timing was perfect.

 

Also, I've been watching some nWo-era WCW as of late, and I think Scott Hall's punches are fairly underrated.

[ultimoDANK]

I think we've known how good Scott Hall's punches are for like 20 years.

[eikerir]

Hall's running the ropes was also amazing, he looked like he was about to run over any motherfucker in his way

[Playa Shunna Ver 3.0]

Scott Hall overall was pretty amazing.  Great all around worker.  

[Patrick B.]

Cowboy Bob resurfaces at St. Louis indy shows every now and then and even wrestles on occasion.  Still busts out the superplex, too.

[ebbie]

I think we've known how good Scott Hall's punches are for like 20 years.

 

Don't forget when he wasn't being soft with the chops. Just ask Disco Inferno.

 

 

Still is the best thing what's his face has ever done.

 

 

Scott was so versatile it is kinda mind blowing to me. He would toss much littler guys around like sacks of shit; knew when to balance with guys HBK's size; and would bounce around for bigger fucks. He didn't just wrestler "one size fits all" like a lot of guys his size does. Such a perfect size for a gatekeeper too.

[ebbie]

Oops double post.

[cool arrow]

Regarding the superplex, I thought Scott Irwin was the first to do it.

[Just Dave]

I've been thinking about it, and one of the reasons that always gets cited why WWE doesn't do a WarGames match is because they don't want to do a two-ring setup. Well, if you take into account that a WWE ring is 20x20, rather than WCW's 15x15, and that the Hell in the Cell cage also gives around 6-8 ft around the ring to fight, you could just do a Hell in the Cell match under WarGames rules and it wouldn't be much less room for 8 guys to operate...

[Matt D]

Honestly? Just they could just use the chamber and a 3 on 3 set up. 

[RandomAct]

I've been thinking about it, and one of the reasons that always gets cited why WWE doesn't do a WarGames match is because they don't want to do a two-ring setup. Well, if you take into account that a WWE ring is 20x20, rather than WCW's 15x15, and that the Hell in the Cell cage also gives around 6-8 ft around the ring to fight, you could just do a Hell in the Cell match under WarGames rules and it wouldn't be much less room for 8 guys to operate...

WCW was 18x18 actually.  Most indy rings are 16 foot, and WCW I believe was a step up from that.

[Playa Shunna Ver 3.0]

 

I've been thinking about it, and one of the reasons that always gets cited why WWE doesn't do a WarGames match is because they don't want to do a two-ring setup. Well, if you take into account that a WWE ring is 20x20, rather than WCW's 15x15, and that the Hell in the Cell cage also gives around 6-8 ft around the ring to fight, you could just do a Hell in the Cell match under WarGames rules and it wouldn't be much less room for 8 guys to operate...

WCW was 18x18 actually.  Most indy rings are 16 foot, and WCW I believe was a step up from that.

 

So if WCW was 18x18 and a step up from the indys, would it be safe to say TNA uses a 14x14 ring?

[Web Conn]

There's talk that the only arena they have booked for PPV before SummerSlam that can fit the two ring War games set up is the Tampa Bay Times Forum for the Battleground PPV in July. I'm just saying.

[Infinit]

I'm sure they could always tone down an entrance stage/ramp if they really wanted to do 2 rings.

[MonteCarl]

Why does War Games have to be two rings? I never really got that concept of the event and why that was important. A 2nd ring doesn't make it more dangerous, it just means you have an odd set up for the entire night until the Main, and people on the opposite side next to the unused ring get a shitty seat all night. Like other people have said, just put it in the Hell in the Cell and keep it single ring and there ya go. Heck, pitch it to Vince that way and don't call it War Games and maybe he'd actually be OK with doing the match since he hates the War Games concept anyway.

[Web Conn]

In 6 days Dean Ambrose will have passed MVP US championship reign

[Matt D]

I want to see them call Ambrose out on his lack of defenses and the last 40 minutes of a Raw being them sending the roster out one after the other in a Gauntlet, with him using the Dirty Deeds like Jake's DDT out of nowhere to survive, until after beating someone on the Orton/Batista level, he gets pinned, finally, by some lucky schlub. I think it'd make the finisher super over and Ambrose all the more over and get the belt off of him, since he's definitely not doing anything with it.

[The Natural]

In 6 days Dean Ambrose will have passed MVP US championship reign

 

Aye, the longest US Championship reign in the WWE.

 

I want to see them call Ambrose out on his lack of defenses and the last 40 minutes of a Raw being them sending the roster out one after the other in a Gauntlet, with him using the Dirty Deeds like Jake's DDT out of nowhere to survive, until after beating someone on the Orton/Batista level, he gets pinned, finally, by some lucky schlub. I think it'd make the finisher super over and Ambrose all the more over and get the belt off of him, since he's definitely not doing anything with it.

 

I like it.