Happ Hazzard Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 LT was certainly blown up at the end of the match, Salt 'n Pepa were pretty much holding him upright and he could barely talk. That was certainly the weirdest WrestleMania main event. I remember being confused when Diesel vs Shawn came on halfway through and literally having no idea what the final match would be. I had literally never heard of Taylor before he appeared on WWE TV, and from what I remember, that match wasn't promoted as the main match in the build up to the show.
Mr Harms Posted August 19, 2016 Author Posted August 19, 2016 Oh that pissed me off pretty bad. I had no clue who LT was, didn't care to know who he was, didn't care about American Football, did not appreciate a non-wrestler coming in and fucking a wrestler's shit up. Especially Bam Bam who i thought (as a kid who didnt know shit. knew it wasnt real but also thought it was when it suited them) that he was a legit badass and would no way lay down for some pussy footballer. I thought it'd go like this... - Football player talks some trash to a wrestler - wrestler says "lace up my boots and we'll see" - football player says "oh yeah?" - wrestler beats piss out of football player. - wrestling shows that they're tougher than other sports. but instead... as nearly always, a non-wrestler comes in and beats the wrestler in his own back yard because i dunno why. 1
Curt McGirt Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 LT's training probably consisted of hookers and blow. 6
PetrolCB Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 So basically, the standard wrestlers training at the time? 7
gatling Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 7 hours ago, RandomAct said: So I asked Big Dave about this but didn't get an answer. I was curious if any stories came out about how Lawrence Taylor approached Wrestlemania XI. Everyone knows that he blew up pretty quickly(which is normal for non-wrestlers, no matter how athletic), but did he take the training seriously? I thought he cut some decent promos leading up to the event at least. I read Titan Sinking recently and it covered this. I believe it's ok to quote a small portion of the book, right?(if not, mods please remove) "In the weeks leading up to the Wrestlemania showdown, an increasingly concerned Bigelow confided in Taylor that he didn't want to be embarrassed and told him that it would be in his best interests to take his training for the match seriously. Taylor had no intention of looking foolish either and he agreed, spedning hours at a time being put through the paces and learning the bare minimum required to put together a semi-decent match. He worked with Bigelow on desiging spots, listening intently to the veteran wrestler as he was told what to do and how to do it. Bigelow was more confident in their ability to have a reasonable match when it came to the day of the showdown, but before the bout he still took Taylor to one side and warned him that if he screwed up or tried to make him look bad, he was going to forcibly call an audible(change the finish) while they were in the ring." "Bigelow knew the pace needed to slow further in order for Taylor to survive the encounter without losing his wind. Even though Taylor was a world class athlete and had been at the top of his profession, Bigelow was well aware from talking to other ex-footballers turned fulltime wrestlers that bein in ring shape was very different to any other form of conditioning. "Let's take it easy," he whispered, before turning Taylor over into a double leg hook submission hold known as the Boston Crab." From that, it sounds like he worked hard at it, but it doesn't go into any detail into how long he trained. 3
HumanChessgame Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 I remember there was a full page add in the USA Today sports section for Wrestlemania with Bigelow/Taylor clearly being made the centerpiece. They also mentioned the mach on the evening news the night after Mania. Granted I didn't follow any other sports at the time but I remember it was basically unheard of for wrestling to get any coverage from mainstream sports shows and publications at the time. Didn't they also show that match and the Michaels/Diesel match on fox a few weeks later?
PetrolCB Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 Yeah, although I don't know if it was a few weeks later. I could be wrong though, but I feel like it was around September, to coincide with football season starting. **edit** Hey, I was right... 1
RandomAct Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 Thanks for the replies, guys! I always found it a little disappointing that they put all of this effort into Bigelow in 95, only for him to be gone at the end of the year. In the short term, it at least seemed like they wanted him to be a top tier babyface.
Skeeball Wizard Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, RandomAct said: Thanks for the replies, guys! I always found it a little disappointing that they put all of this effort into Bigelow in 95, only for him to be gone at the end of the year. In the short term, it at least seemed like they wanted him to be a top tier babyface. He was slotted to move into the main events, but he ran afoul of the Kliq, and that was about the end of it
RandomAct Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 Weird that they would turn him baby for a main event run, when they were so top heavy on the babyface side after Shawn's turn. Was there even a main event heel that summer besides Sid and Mabel?
mattdangerously Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 8 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: LT's training probably consisted of underaged hookers and blow. FTFY
mattdangerously Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 When someone floats a pitch down the center of the plate like that, you gotta swing for the fences. 2
Happ Hazzard Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 How long did Slick manage Rick Martel for in 1989?
PetrolCB Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 I feel like it was until around Survivor Series. Which is funny, since he'd team up with Slick's Power & Glory and the Warlord, to become the first(?) in-tact team to survive a match, eventually teaming up with DiBiase at the end.
Nice Guy Eddie Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 2 hours ago, PetrolCB said: I feel like it was until around Survivor Series. Which is funny, since he'd team up with Slick's Power & Glory and the Warlord, to become the first(?) in-tact team to survive a match, eventually teaming up with DiBiase at the end. That was Survivor Series '90. Slick was in Martel's corner at Summerslam '89 where he teamed with the Rougeau's against The Rockers and Chico Santana. By Survivor Series '89, Martel was no longer with Slick, although he was on the Boss Man's team, The Enforcers.
sydneybrown Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Martel was with Slick until the Warlord/Barbarian split-up when Slick went with Warlord. I think he was kinda with Slick at Survivor Series. It seemed like some weeks he was there and others he wasn't. As an aside, and I never knew this until this moment but apparently Slick had house show matches with Sapphire in early 1990. Those had to be the worst matches ever.
PetrolCB Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: That was Survivor Series '90. Slick was in Martel's corner at Summerslam '89 where he teamed with the Rougeau's against The Rockers and Chico Santana. By Survivor Series '89, Martel was no longer with Slick, although he was on the Boss Man's team, The Enforcers. Damn it. I knew that and totally forgot to include that to my post. But yeah, Sydney covered it. Why in gods name would he be facing Sapphire?
J.T. Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Dusty got a count-out victory over Akeem OMG on one of the B-Shows after Sapphire (a planted fan at the time) started jawing with Slick and got Akeem to come out to the ring floor. I think that Sapphire became Dusty's valet / manager shortly after that. That is probably what led to the Sapphire vs. Slick comedy intergender thing.
PetrolCB Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Ahh. Sounds about right. Funny they had Dusty basically fight himself. It's like when the Demos eventually squared up with LOD.
tlk23 Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 On August 18, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Charlie M. said: Did anyone turn effectively as often as Randy Savage did? It's pretty amazing that he flip flopped so many times in a relatively short period of time and it always worked. Perhaps it spoke to the insane aspect of his personality where you bought it that he'd gone off the deep end again. ???? Started as a heel in 1985. Turned in early 1987. Turned heel in early 1989. Turned face in early 1991 and stayed face until late 96/early 97. Three turns in 12 years doesn't seem often to me.
J.H. Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Babyface turn happened in Fall of 87 to set-up the Honky feud as I recall since the Steamboat feud went fro Fall 86-Mania 3 and the WCW heel turned was definitely in early 97 (and was completely out of the blue). Otherwise yeah, he wasn't super frequent with the turns. Hell Luger turned more than Savage did. James
Charlie M. Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Good points. I was mainly thinking about his WWF run and during that time period, it seems like a lot of turns compared to people of a similar stature. I'm more impressed by how easily fans could go from loving him to hating him. Or at least loving to hate him.
FluffSnackwell Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Is Jake being at all hyperbolic whenever he talks about how crazy the fans went over him DDT'ing Hogan? On a related note, is Vader's powerbomb the only time yellow and red pussy do-gooder Hogan ate a visual pinfall? Hell, I mean considering that Hogan pretty much kicked out from Warrior's big splash right at 3, he gave way more to Vader in that instance than he did when he actually passed the torch, brah. Man, I wish Vader stuck around at least long enough to have a title match against the Giant even if it was a giveaway on a random Nitro. The whole follow-up to that Vader/Hogan match didn't make a whole lot of sense but then again I don't remember Hogan/Earthquake ever having a decisive televised match to end their feud either. Is this some weird little Hogan thing where he preferred half-assed wins over certain monsters just so he could keep them strong and decisively beat them at a bigger event?
PetrolCB Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 13 minutes ago, FluffSnackwell said: On a related note, is Vader's powerbomb the only time yellow and red pussy do-gooder Hogan ate a visual pinfall? Taker at Survivor Series '91 and Yokozuna at KOTR '93?
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