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1 hour ago, Travis Sheldon said:

I have no dog in this fight, but I do have a keyboard so I'm compelled to spew my opinion.

I've never trusted straight-edger's, back in my punk rock/heavy metal days I would hang with all sorts of people, but the straight-edger's always felt off to me.

Not sure if it was their holier-than-thou attitude that most (not all) seemed to exude.

With drunks and stoners I knew where I stood. (And it was usually next to them right on the edge of the pit.)

Hope Punk finds peace somewhere, I get the feeling the only peace he'll have in pro-wrestling is starting his own promotion.

 

Even though I've met a few okay sXe HC dudes, I completely agree that a lot of 'em can be self-righteous douche canoes. 

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When I was a teenager FSU had a stranglehold on the hardcore scene in my area. When you went to a show you never knew if it’d be peaceful or if 30-year-old straight edge dudes the size of barn doors would be walking around waiting for someone to look at them sideways so they could brain em’. A lot of the drinkers were emo kids immersed in nerd culture who wouldn’t hurt anybody. 

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The only straight edgers/sober people I met in the punk scene were nice guys more into stoner rock than anything, ironically, and also dorky wrestling fans like myself. One of those groups named themselves Dino Bravo! Our old scene was real drunk and druggy though (and unfortunately most all of my bandmates ended up being total pieces of shit). All the punk houses and the bands fell under the weight of the addictions of the residents and other, way worse things. Never any violence except for behind closed doors... There is still all ages spots around town but I don't really know what's up these days. Being a college town helps. 

Punk to me seems like the kind of dude whos entire music collection is Epitaph Records bands. 

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I've always been straight edge. Never had any interest in doing any of those things, ever. Punk was my first exposure to the term "straight edge". I never knew it was a thing others did and/or had a name for what it was. He even made it seem cool to be that way. I took his whole "being straight edge means I'm better then you" mantra to heart.

I really can't stand The Elite. During this whole episode, I was wholly on Punk's side for all of the developments. But this...I can't justify. It hurts to think that his wrestling career is (more then likely) over, but sometimes enough is enough and you just can't tolerate behavior like what happened. So internally I'm fairly conflicted about what happened, but Tony Khan did what he had to do, absolutely.

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Yeah, me too. I was straight edge before I knew what straight edge was. The last time I tasted alcohol I was 13 years old (so technically I'm over 35 years sober, but seeing as I never had a drinking problem, it seems silly to claim it that way).

I've been a CM Punk fan since I bought the IWA-MS Sweet Science 16 2002 on VHS tape. I spent most of his WWE run decrying how badly they were underusing him. And I've enjoyed most of his AEW run. But by all accounts he's been acting like a proper twat the last few years. And the one most important way AEW differs from most other wrestling companies is, Coach Tony K didn't grow up in wrestling and doesn't have aspects of the Wrestling mentality. Trying to attack Vince backstage is probably a less stupid idea than trying it on Tony Khan.

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10 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

The only straight edgers/sober people I met in the punk scene were nice guys more into stoner rock than anything, ironically, and also dorky wrestling fans like myself. One of those groups named themselves Dino Bravo! Our old scene was real drunk and druggy though (and unfortunately most all of my bandmates ended up being total pieces of shit). All the punk houses and the bands fell under the weight of the addictions of the residents and other, way worse things. Never any violence except for behind closed doors... There is still all ages spots around town but I don't really know what's up these days. Being a college town helps. 

 

I read this paragraph in Craig Finn’s voice.

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I can't resist weighing in on the straight edge thing too. I've had a decent amount of unpleasant interactions with sXe dudes over the years but I can say as someone with 11 yrs of sobriety under his belt that straight edgers pale in comparison to the peer support/recovery militants you meet who will aggressively remind you to no end you are not doing sobriety the right way (meanwhile they never saw a 20 year old newly sober woman they couldn't wait to sidle up next to and "sponsor"). My brother refers to these guys as "AA University" which would be a great name for a heel faction. One of the many (many!) things I love about Jon Moxley is it's clear the program didn't get to his head, man. 

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54 minutes ago, Belgian_Waffle said:

My brother refers to these guys as "AA University" which would be a great name for a heel faction.

I think you just gave the Brock Anderson/Lee Johnson team a name!

(Also agree entirely with the rest of your post - I'm not in recovery but try my best to support those who are, and we really need to move away from that 'one size fits all' approach)

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2 hours ago, EVA said:

I read this paragraph in Craig Finn’s voice.

I've never even heard the Hold Steady and had no idea who that was -- and sound nothing like him haha. 

My introduction to straight edge was (go figure) Minor Threat. But by that time sXe people were playing music that wasn't fast and was half-baked versions of the good metal I was already listening to, so it went no further until I got into old stuff like SSD and Negative FX later... whos crowds/members were of course the introduction of violence into sXe. And then they went to shit musically too. 

I'm just dipping my toe into recovery and my phone meet yesterday morning had a tape of a recovery speaker who was basically a drill instructor yelling at you. That shit is not gonna work for me. 

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1 minute ago, Curt McGirt said:

m just dipping my toe into recovery and my phone meet yesterday morning had a tape of a recovery speaker who was basically a drill instructor yelling at you. That shit is not gonna work for me. 

Hey good on ya man, inbox always open here or on Discord if you need to chat - truly hope you're able to find a better fit

 

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5 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

The straight edge kids in my town were always the first to fight the Nazis so they’re obnoxious but okay by me

Yeah, the problem in the Northeast became when they drove all of the Nazis out of the scene they just found different people to beat up. In my area they beat a guy to death in a bar for wearing a Skynyrd shirt that had the confederate flag on it. Obviously no one should get murdered over a shirt, but even their premise for doing it was a stretch. 

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Yeah. As much as I worship '80s hardcore I would have been pushed out of that scene by the violence of the bonehead fascist and straight edge cliques, and just the random buffoons, real quick. Metal might've not been too fun either. As much as I think like Saint Vitus that I was "born too late" I can see myself probably only participating in the scenes via records and tape trading. 

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3 minutes ago, (BP) said:

Yeah, the problem in the Northeast became when they drove all of the Nazis out of the scene they just found different people to beat up. In my area they beat a guy to death in a bar for wearing a Skynyrd shirt that had the confederate flag on it. Obviously no one should get murdered over a shirt, but even their premise for doing it was a stretch. 

I remember seeing video in the 2000s of the Boston and Brooklyn guys, FSU, DMS etc. with fucking bricks in their backpacks and ball peen hammers in the pit. Even as a high schooler, I was like wtf are we doing here guys

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I stopped going to shows after high school and didn’t miss it much. I was mostly there to pick up scene girls, which was a terrible strategy since they made up about five percent of the audience, were already there with guys twice their age, and scared the shit out of me. 

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12 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Yeah. As much as I worship '80s hardcore I would have been pushed out of that scene by the violence of the bonehead fascist and straight edge cliques, and just the random buffoons, real quick. Metal might've not been too fun either. As much as I think like Saint Vitus that I was "born too late" I can see myself probably only participating in the scenes via records and tape trading. 

I grew up in NYC during the '80s and was a hardcore fan who never saw any of the big NYHC shows (like the famous matinees at The Ritz or CBGBs) because of all the skinhead fights. Lots were just closet jocks.

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3 minutes ago, (BP) said:

I stopped going to shows after high school and didn’t miss it much. I was mostly there to pick up scene girls, which was a terrible strategy since they made up about five percent of the audience, were already there with guys twice their age, and scared the shit out of me. 

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