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My best friend saw a double headliner bill of 25 Ta Life and Earth Crisis in Philly. I forget why I did not go beyond it being 25 Ta Life and Earth Crisis.

Rick Ta Life was doing some kind of rant where he would give a shout out to anyone he ever met in his life. He finally said “I want to shout out to my mom” and my friend yelled out “Misses Ta Life!” and Rick flipped the hell lit and demanded to know who disrespected his mom. My friend did not identify himself. He then later set off stink bombs in the pit during Firestorm. To be that age again.

I was way more into pop-punk and ska and indie and The Lemonheads than hardcore. Not sure about elsewhere but in Jersey at some VFW show you would always get a show where the bill would have some ska band with a pun name (Skazle Tov was my favorite bad ska name), then some sXe hardcore band with a name like Ends Justify, a pop punk band where the lead singer would literally fart in the microphone, a female fronted twee band that was incredible but no one watched because girls and then, always and forever, Chisel.

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I also think back to the night my friends were all go to see an all hardcore show somewhere in Jersey with some god awful combination of bands like Floorpunch and Mouthpiece and Mouthpunch and Floorpiece and god knows who else. They came to my house and right when I got in the back seat I told them that I decided I didn’t want to go and I watched baseball instead.

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It bums me out now because I don’t think there’s anywhere in town running shows like there was when I was in high school in the mid to late 90s. Makes me wonder if there just aren’t a lot of garage bands or basement bands anymore, at least around here. Shit, I don’t even know what music is anymore. Whenever I browse through Spotify’s new hits and stuff a lot of sounds like shit. But I also know there’s still a bunch of punk and goth kids. Makes me wonder where they go, if anywhere, to watch music. 

And also, so much of South Bend around Notre Dame has become very gentrified so houses I’d go to in high school just aren’t even there anymore. It’s a ton of expensive craftsman style homes and big city style brownstones. Then for the neighboring areas like Granger, where I’m at, are either subdivisions where no one wants that noise or Mishawaka, where there’s too much of a police presence and they’ll just shut it down.

To bring this back to wrestling, it kind of sucks. Even though he’s gone off the deep end, CM Punk was born out of punk scenes and so were a lot of other wrestlers. It makes me feel like we’ll never get someone brash in that sort of way ever again.

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I had a friend who had a show at his house when his parents were out of town in a giant backyard shed. A freshman girl tried to mosh and got her teeth roundhoused out of her face. Her parents ended up making him pay for her dental work. 

To sort of bring it back to wrestling, years ago my wife’s friend got signed to this metalcore label and I had a bad feeling about it because they thought it was a good use of their money to hire Warrior to scream at one of their bands and make them run drills until they puked. 
 

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CM Punk gives the scene world we grew up in a really bad name. It’s because most of us grew up and became adults and took the best part of basement shows — you can make your own fun, you’ll find your tribe, etc. — with us into adulthood. 

Punk decided that the best part about going to basement shows was the self-righteous scene politics part of things that made me glad I never lived in a group home with my bandmates (and I was never in a band.) Like “that guy” was enough when I was 22, imagine being not too far away from 50 and still being like that but about your fake fighting career?

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1 hour ago, Greggulator said:

Also, I loved Punk so much when he was doing the evil sXe cult leader stuff. I always wish they ran an angle where one of the members of the sXe Society took a hard turn and became Krishna.

Hey let's not bring Shelter into this now...

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I drank before and/or at Minor Threat shows. It was no big deal to do that in NY. I am in no way straight edge. I'm a homebrewer. 

I thought that the SHARPs were cool, but figured out that most of them just wanted to fight people and if they fought the WP skins people would be OK with it.

Was Earth Crisis the last show at MCCC? I remember that my final trip there was for a cancelled show with a sign saying no more shows. IIRC I saw Token Entry, The Meatmen, and Government Issue there at various shows.

It was weird when SxE got popular in NY. Seeing Raybeez pretend to be straight edge was comical. Crowds were full of goons by then. 

Punk should have a beer and learn to relax.

 

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Oh there were always those shows that you had to have totally different bands just to have a show. And there's always a ska-influenced band. The one from our early high-school band basement scene, with a total of 11 members at their nadir, was named Alleyway Sex. Of course they never even managed to release more than a demo though they wrote at least 10-15 songs. Oh! And the all-women-and-one-bi dude band? The Cockblocks. 

1 hour ago, Greggulator said:

and then, always and forever, Chisel

Heh, I didn't know there was another Chisel. This is a newer one -- The Chisel -- who are really good Oi type stuff, ridiculously catchy and well-written. 

https://lavidaesunmus.bandcamp.com/album/retaliation

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It was the skaters that introduced me to hardcore. Didn't learn til much later that it was a specific genre (ie. NY Crew), but yeah mostly the Relativity Records shit, Youth of Today, Shelter, Bold, Judge, and of course the Gorilla Biscuits. South Jersey's own Turning Point also got a lot of love.

I always did like how the GB's Start Today is essentially a self-improvement tape with more cussing. "Get off the couch and turn off the TV, be true to your friends, don't be racist, don't be jealous, be productive and don't waste your time! Fuck fuckity shit fuck!"

Shelter's "A Society Based on Bodies" is one of the all-time hidden gem basslines.

That's all for now.

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SHARPs were always dicks, going hard in the pit at all ages show like total losers. In retrospect, they were probably the reason I went away from hardcore and got into the angrier stream of indie rock (also I liked dancing more than moshing)

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2 hours ago, sabremike said:

Fun fact: 25 Ta Life was the supporting act of the first show I ever went to: SOD at Tuxedo Junction in Danbury in July 1997.

Also need to point out that the people who ran Victory were lowlife sleazy crooks who fucked over countless bands.

The trajectory of Victory from putting out Hatebreed to getting sued by Hawthorne heights is really something

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38 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

SHARPs were always dicks, going hard in the pit at all ages show like total losers. In retrospect, they were probably the reason I went away from hardcore and got into the angrier stream of indie rock (also I liked dancing more than moshing)

On a related note: People who mosh at ska shows are the biggest assholes ever.

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At a house party ska show back in my college days there was on asshole trying to start a full on mosh pit so the singer went over and punched him in the face and the rest of us had a good laugh and didn’t see him the rest of the night. Good times great memories 

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You skank, you don't mosh! It's ska, folks. 

I just looked up Victory on Wiki and they have released multiple bands for every letter of the alphabet except Q, U, Y, and Z. And the only V is Voodoo Glow Skulls 😄 The only, let's say, self-proclaimed metal band on there is of course the dumbest sounding death metal band not called Six Feet Under: Jungle Rot. And now they put out stuff like Rev. Horton Heat and the Tossers? WEIRD.

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36 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

You skank, you don't mosh! It's ska, folks. 

I just looked up Victory on Wiki and they have released multiple bands for every letter of the alphabet except Q, U, Y, and Z. And the only V is Voodoo Glow Skulls 😄 The only, let's say, self-proclaimed metal band on there is of course the dumbest sounding death metal band not called Six Feet Under: Jungle Rot. And now they put out stuff like Rev. Horton Heat and the Tossers? WEIRD.

For more non-hardcore bands on  Victory, Catch 22 and Streetlight Manifesto were also signed to them at one point.

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This is all fascinating. I spent my youth at Dead shows and The Wetlands in NYC. The Wetlands scene had its wild moments being right outside the Holland Tunnel in the 90's, but violence wasn't part of it. The threat of violence if you wandered too far away was definitely there. I did go to City Gardens in Trenton to see the Ramones in 89. That was fucking insane. The mosh pit bloodied my pal Court, and my best friend Brad who was a bad mother fucker loved it. " Dude! I punch these motherfuckers and they love it!" That place was legendary. It was the ECW Arena for punk shows, but in an even worse part of town than South Philly.

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I'm literally on the cusp of 40 (December). All those people I spent all that time with had to be at least 4 years younger than me, a lot of them six or more. 

I love this thread. Don't close it Dolfan! Stick it in music or something if you really ain't feeling it. We can still talk about Punk, you know, sometimes... there's bound to be more dirt forthcoming.

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1 hour ago, Johnny Sorrow said:

City Gardens in Trenton to see the Ramones in 89

Dude City Gardens is legendary, even had its own documentary made about it. A concrete bunker practically made for hardcore shows. Jon Stewart used to bartend there! And take in mind, Ramones in '89 had nearly outsped the bands that were current, they had cranked the live tempo up to minutes faster of a full set. You experienced quite something there.

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