Niners Fan in CT Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I like the idea that Harper and Rowan, having been set free by Bray, would have different philosophies. Harper always seemed aware of the destruction the Wyatt Family was causing. Rowan seemed more like a simpleton who followed along. A little time away from Bray's influence reveals Harper as being a mean dude who likes hurting people, and who is willing to follow a leader (Bray or The Authority) with questionable ethics. Rowan, however, seems to have woken up to the world around him. No longer concerned with "saving" people he can focus on the important things...pretty girls, stuffed cats and balancing the scales of justice by joining a squad that's short a man or two. The chance to get some vengeance on Harper (who used to slap him and push him around in their matches) might just be the icing on the cake. You gave this A LOT more thought than WWE creative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaldo Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 This happened: This made everything else worth it. EVERYTHING. You know what makes this? Watch the Uso's. I don't think anyone knew it was coming by their reaction and the reaction of the announcers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I mean, heaven forbid someone run to the ring without any music playing. Is that really not a thing that can happen anymore? It ties into the suspension of disbelief issues I have with the overall product right now. By that same token, it pisses me off that everyone must do their entrance in the exact same fashion all the time. Booked in a 3-on-1 handicap match, Dolph? Doesn't matter. Go wiggle your ass on the stage first! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The vignettes portrayed Rowen as child-like. Who are Cena' biggest fans? Children. Thus, it was a pretty logical turn, even if it does deprive us of more Kane - Rowen bonding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Twin magic posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w. josh Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 So, Rowan's going to be the Evad Sullivan to Cena's Hogan? I'm down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Didn't Keith Stone host a RAW? What happened to Keith Stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Didn't Keith Stone host a RAW? What happened to Keith Stone? WWE should bring in The Most Interesting Man in the World as the new authority figure after Survivor Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Didn't Keith Stone host a RAW? What happened to Keith Stone? WWE should bring in The Most Interesting Man in the World as the new authority figure after Survivor Series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Brie dressed as AJ was so cute. Brie's a sexy gal and all, but she has a really adorable smile. Thought it was unneeded to have AJ take out both chicks tho. idk But at least they did something different with the 'divas dressed as other divas' bit they've done in every major diva feud in the last 5 years. Hope Nikki fucks AJ's ass up tbh Harper getting the IC Belt is so damn refreshing. Everyone else seems to think Ziggles is this amazing worker, but he really isn't interesting to watch. At all. I am usually down with the shows being booked around Cena, but damn. Between Steph not wanting to put anyone over and booking that seems like some monkey is throwing darts at a spinning wheel, it's hard to get invested in anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooks Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Grumpy Cat must be well behaved. My cat lets me pick her up and hold her because she adores me, but if anyone else does, she does not care for it in the least bit and will put a stop to it. If you sit somewhere in the house she'll eventually come to you and want to to mingle or sit in your lap, etc. But picking her up? No way. Meanwhile Grumpy Cat is just chilling with everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Grumpy Cat must be well behaved. My cat lets me pick her up and hold her because she adores me, but if anyone else does, she does not care for it in the least bit and will put a stop to it. If you sit somewhere in the house she'll eventually come to you and want to to mingle or sit in your lap, etc. But picking her up? No way. Meanwhile Grumpy Cat is just chilling with everyone. The Authority segments make me nearly comatose, so I can see why Grumpy Cat was so docile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 People on the darker sides of the 'net are trying to say WWE sedated Grumpy Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 That was my guess because there's no way a cat not higher than Willie Nelson stays so still. Doubt it was WWE but whatever loving people are behind the Grumpy Cat shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I mean, heaven forbid someone run to the ring without any music playing. Is that really not a thing that can happen anymore? It ties into the suspension of disbelief issues I have with the overall product right now. On one hand, I totally get that, but on the other hand, it's a convention of the reality. It'd be like watching 'Disney on Ice' and getting annoyed that the rogue keeps twirling and landing double axles instead of just skating directly towards the princess to save her from the witch. It isn't, though - it came about in the last 10-15 years at some point. The reason it's stupid is because the save was time-sensitive - your team captain is standing alone in a ring with 9 of his enemies, maybe you should go save him instead of waiting for your music and pyro? What's to stop the whole Authority from beating Cena down while his idiot partners are posing on the ramp? Or while he's out there ringside blabbing for ten minutes before they got there, for that matter? The whole segment was laid out poorly, and it would have taken very minor adjustments to things like that to make it come off better. The whole "music pops the crowd" argument doesn't even work in this instance - Ryback, Dolph, and Show all had matches earlier in the show, so their music had been played multiple times already. Rowan's music is still the same as Harper's awful music for whatever reason, which just confused the crowd more than anything. This isn't the same thing as "why doesn't [x] just not keep running when he gets whipped into the ropes?" because it's an invention of WWE Creative, not an entrenched wrestling trope. And it's the type of thing that makes people that aren't wrestling fans say "that's really fucking stupid," because it is. It's an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Coaster Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The whole segment was laid out poorly, and it would have taken very minor adjustments to things like that to make it come off better. I normally dislike the music playing before someone comes in for the save, but I thought it worked in this case. The point of the segment was to finally reveal Team Cena after weeks of The Authority thwarting his efforts to put together a team. Stretching it out in dramatic fashion worked for me. Cena was never in physical danger out there. There were no threats of violence. I'm curious, though, how you would have laid out the segment and still kept the "reveal" aspect of it? Cena staying on the ramp to begin with is about all I can come up with, but he was there for a contract signing and the contract was in the ring. He didn't even know he'd have a team when the segment started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I normally dislike the music playing before someone comes in for the save, but I thought it worked in this case. The point of the segment was to finally reveal Team Cena after weeks of The Authority thwarting his efforts to put together a team. Stretching it out in dramatic fashion worked for me. Cena was never in physical danger out there. There were no threats of violence. On the contrary - The Authority had promised to decimate Team Cena all night, and had done just that. They said "decimate" about 15 times. I'm curious, though, how you would have laid out the segment and still kept the "reveal" aspect of it? Cena staying on the ramp to begin with is about all I can come up with, but he was there for a contract signing and the contract was in the ring. He didn't even know he'd have a team when the segment started. Well, for one, I would never close a Raw with a contract signing segment, let alone a go-home Raw for a PPV that is extremely important to the company. There has never been an exciting contract signing segment on Raw. Ever. The "reveal" aspect fell flat because everyone knew Ryback would join and nobody cared about Rowan. If they were going to go the swervy "surprise" route (and they shouldn't have - waiting until 6 days before Survivor Series to sell it is bad business), they really should've come up with better surprises. If there aren't further changes (Orton) waiting around the corner on Sunday, this has the potential to be the worst PPV of the year, from both a storyline and match standpoint. The way Orton was written off TV *begs* for his return in this match. It's the natural progression of the storyline. And it looks like he isn't going to show up. I'm usually the one laughing at the sky-is-falling PowerPBs of the world, but this buildup has been a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Who gives a shit what people who aren't wrestling fans think about wrestling? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I loved AJ's totally honest and nonchalant "Well she looks better in it than I do" reaction to Brie's outfit. I only killed the x4 speed because I had to double take on AJ Brie, but that made the segment worth it. Can't say I'm any more excited for the ppv, but I'm totally behind Harper and Rusev as midcard champions. Hopefully Miz and Mizdow win the tag belts on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 What I think of WWE is really irrelevant. They draw more fans and make more money than any other wrestling company in the world so, by the definition of a business, they're the most successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Who gives a shit what people who aren't wrestling fans think about wrestling? Anyone trying to create new wrestling fans, for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Grumpy Cat must be well behaved. My cat lets me pick her up and hold her because she adores me, but if anyone else does, she does not care for it in the least bit and will put a stop to it. If you sit somewhere in the house she'll eventually come to you and want to to mingle or sit in your lap, etc. But picking her up? No way. Meanwhile Grumpy Cat is just chilling with everyone. Her owner has often mentioned that she's generally very docile and well-behaved and that all the handling she experiences is kept to a minimum. All the photos the wrestlers took with her were likely all taken at the same time and I wouldn't be surprised if the backstage segments were pre-taped then as well. My cat typically won't go near anyone other than me, but I've known plenty of others that were almost as sociable as dogs. The car wash I go to has a cat that lives in the waiting room and will hop up and sit with anyone who is friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Something not mentioned yet, or at least I don't think it was, was Ambrose saying he recorded himself using his buddies cell phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scraylo187 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 That cat tours conventions and just starred in a movie. It is super good at sitting there with a crowd of people around it and not reacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I just got to the part where HHH forgets his lines. Holy shit, that was awkward...He handled it slightly better than Orton at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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