scraylo187 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 One tag title run/1 US title run/Unofficial WWE King of Trios Champions/Master of Titties/'Make Renee Young Feel Funny' Memorial Cup Winners > Evolution Championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Sam Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The Dangerous Alliance is a great answer. Teamed up, won a shitload of titles and ran roughshod over their opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 This "Shield are the greatest faction ever" nonsense really needs to stop. Let's start in the last 10 years. From an in-ring perspective or kayfabe perspective, name a stable that was more successful then the SHIELD. Now try 20. Now try 30. No try ever. The only answer I can come up with is the Horsemen. The Dangerous Alliance. That is very good counterpoint, and could lead to a great debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Has the Shield even had storyline with the guys being forced to make shitty promo writing, goofy segments, and nonsensical reasoning work like other top acts? They've been so well protected, it will be interesting to see if any of the three could actually do that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Wyatt Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The Stud Stable had Meng and Steve Austin. Advantage: Stud Stable. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Who the fucking is gonna argue with Haku? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 To bring up a comment from earlier in the thread, some said the point of a stable is to have them break up and become singles stars. If that's a fair definition, then I'd argue the SHIELD did it's job better then any stable in history: in a year and a half, the SHIELD went from NXT callups to being legitimate top acts in the wrestling world. That's a great run. Evolution is right fucking there dude holy shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Rollins character is a "builder." All he cares about is the success of his projects. He is amoral in that way. Lawful Evil, maybe. He likes order and structure but does not apply to it any sense of right and wrong other than success and failure. His natural state, then, is as a heel. That's how he formed The Shield. It makes sense he would move on when the project no longer seems to be working "correctly" or he was offered a more attractive and powerful machine to play with. Meanwhile Dean has a demented sense of right and wrong that is is basis for everything. He could go heel, but he would do it out of a sense that he had been wronged, that the world had turned on him and he needed to exact some just retribution. Chaotic good? Roman has the blandest motivation, and so is the most naturally a WWE face, bland "warrior's honor" stuff. Lawful Neutral. Rollins' turn makes the most sense and has the most potential. He's also the guy whose style justifies the biggest push right now and whose character could use the most defining. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I just watched the first hour, but I had two observations: 1. Bo Dallas has this great sleazy look that would make him more suited to be a heel-who-thinks-he's-a-face throwback to a member of a 1980s "pretty boy" tag team like the Fabulous Ones. He could do it as a solo act fine, though. Do one of those Memphis-style videos to "Sharp Dressed Man" where he works out in his wrestling trunks, have him dress from the 70s and 80s and have him talk about how he's the women's pet, etc. Have him drag up fat chick plants from the crowd for pre-match kisses. The "Bo-lieve" gimmick is close, but doesn't quite play up his long, greasy-haired sleaziness. 2. Whatever they're paying Paul Heyman, they need to double it. I couldn't stop cracking up at how he could turn ANYTHING in the conversation into talk about how Brock broke Undertaker's streak. He's miles above everyone. He's one of those guys who's so good at what he does, he needs to be doing it - I'm glad he's working for someone in any capacity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 To bring up a comment from earlier in the thread, some said the point of a stable is to have them break up and become singles stars. If that's a fair definition, then I'd argue the SHIELD did it's job better then any stable in history: in a year and a half, the SHIELD went from NXT callups to being legitimate top acts in the wrestling world. That's a great run. Evolution is right fucking there dude holy shit The SHIELD did it while being entertaining. Advantage SHIELD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Wrestling history is whatever a wrestling promotion says it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 To bring up a comment from earlier in the thread, some said the point of a stable is to have them break up and become singles stars. If that's a fair definition, then I'd argue the SHIELD did it's job better then any stable in history: in a year and a half, the SHIELD went from NXT callups to being legitimate top acts in the wrestling world. That's a great run.Evolution is right fucking there dude holy shitThe SHIELD did it while being entertaining. Advantage SHIELD. The Shield haven't actually done anything yet. I doubt any of those guys become the stars Batista and Orton became. We're talking about decade-long multiple world title stars, to be clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 To bring up a comment from earlier in the thread, some said the point of a stable is to have them break up and become singles stars. If that's a fair definition, then I'd argue the SHIELD did it's job better then any stable in history: in a year and a half, the SHIELD went from NXT callups to being legitimate top acts in the wrestling world. That's a great run. Evolution is right fucking there dude holy shit The SHIELD did it while being entertaining. Advantage SHIELD. You were speaking in kayfabe terms. The reason The Shield (it isn't Nick Fury's SHIELD) beating Evolution so decisively is such a big deal is because, kayfabe-wise, Evolution is one of the greatest stables of all time. If your argument is based on not liking Evolution personally, then yeah, I guess there isn't an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Or who had the better six man tags, since that's about all the shield has over anyone else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 It will interesting how history judges the shield. You can certainly point out their weaknesses, which are perfectly valid. They are far better as a unit than in singles matches. No one outside of Ambrose is a great promo. However, how many acts have ever brought the house down on a nightly basis the way the Shield did. How many times did you turn on a random Smackdown and catch a motyc out of them? The Shield have had too many classic matches to count. We've been spoiled. You can't make the same argument about any other faction or tag team in recent memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Guess I am the only who thinks you guys have fucking killed the titty thing to death. Wasn't really funny to begin with. Wade getting left to the babyface version of the wolves because his partner decided he was above jobbing is how he started how he lost the title last year... Good to see a divas match with a purpose for once. Aksana didn't look absolutely horrible, for once. And I just read that JR thinks Seth can talk. Um, not with that voice. Jiminy Cricket. You know, I've had my eye on the title of "cuddliest poster" for 2014, but I simply must retort. You are one joyless motherfucker. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggulator Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 In Kayfabe terms:1) The Shield came out of nowhere and ran roughshod over the entire promotion. Evolution had Ric Flair and HHH -- the Greatest Of All Time and someone else very high on that kayfabe list. They had Orton and Batista, but Orton was a second generation made man from the jump. Batista didn't do much solo wise until after Evolution broke up. The Shield had a lot more to do in order to own the yard. Flair invented the yard. HHH owned it. Then they added young bucks. ADVANTAGE: Shield2) Evolution had a ton of titles. The Shield had the tag champs and a hardly defended US Title. HOWEVER, The Shield's reason for being wasn't title driven. They were mercenaries/henchmen there to take paychecks and do the bidding of whoever was signing them, be it Paul E. or The Authority. If The Shield acted as an independent entity this whole time, they'd have a lot more in their collection based on their results. WASH3) Reigns has the record for must Rumble eliminations. That's a huge individual achievement. It's not winning The Rumble, but it's still a major accolade and it happened in his very first Rumble. Seth lasted second longest in his first Rumble. Dean also lasted until after the final entrant, which I hold as a benchmark for Rumble success. It's the equivalent of making it to the jury on Survivor. True, Batista won. But he came in at 28 and only eliminated Reigns, I believe. He got a lucky number and ran with it. Overall, though, The Shield had a much better collective Rumble. And it was their first Rumble, which is a completely different type of match that involves different strategies and negated their Band of Brothers style, especially since it's when Ambrose started to go rogue. ADVANTAGE: SHIELD 4) The Shield's overall record is historic. How many pinfalls has Reigns had since his career? I think it's less than 5. His first came in an 11-on-3 match. One came in the war against The Wyatts. I think there were a few singles defeats but he's a rookie. And an overwhelming amount of those wins The Shield has came without cheating. They were heels that won by actually winning. I'm not going to back through the archives to track Evolution's success rate and how they won matches. But I highly doubt it's what The Shield did. ADVANTAGE: SHIELD 5) The Shield beat Evolution twice. The last time came 3-0. You can't get better than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuroresuFan Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 What do I win? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 What do I win? A like when I have 'em back if that helps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Richards looks so much like McIntyre now in that pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 BWO > 3MB (But only because Jinder is so blah.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Guess I am the only who thinks you guys have fucking killed the titty thing to death. Wasn't really funny to begin with. Wade getting left to the babyface version of the wolves because his partner decided he was above jobbing is how he started how he lost the title last year... Good to see a divas match with a purpose for once. Aksana didn't look absolutely horrible, for once. And I just read that JR thinks Seth can talk. Um, not with that voice. Jiminy Cricket. You know, I've had my eye on the title of "cuddliest poster" for 2014, but I simply must retort. You are one joyless motherfucker. You increased your candidacy: the committee encourages honesty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggulator Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 IN NON-KAYFABE TERMS:If you were to list the Top 50 matches of the past two years, The Shield are probably in at least 30 of those matches in some fashion. And a lot of those are at the absolute top of the list. The Elimination Chamber match is in the argument for the current MOTD. The Rollins/Reigns vs. Rhodes Brothers matches last year were high on the 2013 list. I put the Raw title change as my MOTY last year, but I'm weird like that. The Battleground match was just as awesome. There's not too many matches last year better than that. The whole WWE Dragon Gate style revolved around them. The WWE has a ridiculous amount of content to fill. Is there a better possible way to fill that content by having 30 minutes a show dedicated to some absolutely amazing matches? That's how you do it.Tag team wrestling is my favorite kind of wrestling. I know I'm not alone in this opinion. In-ring storytelling just gets so great in tag matches. The WWE's tag division became so incredibly awesome these past two years. That doesn't happen without The Shield. They also had a ton of great singles matches. I remember Bryan vs. Rollins being a friggin' epic. I don't remember much about The Evolution 1.0 era. I remember HHH's Thumbs Down to Orton and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Guess I am the only who thinks you guys have fucking killed the titty thing to death. Wasn't really funny to begin with. Wade getting left to the babyface version of the wolves because his partner decided he was above jobbing is how he started how he lost the title last year... Good to see a divas match with a purpose for once. Aksana didn't look absolutely horrible, for once. And I just read that JR thinks Seth can talk. Um, not with that voice. Jiminy Cricket. You know, I've had my eye on the title of "cuddliest poster" for 2014, but I simply must retort. You are one joyless motherfucker. You got people defending the Shield against FSW. That seems like a much bigger lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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