Technico Support Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, odessasteps said: does this Doc Sampson have green hair? I think of that every single time they say his name. It's a curse. Not as bad a curse as being doused by gamma rays. But a curse nonetheless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriskbrown50 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Had the benefit of watching on DVR after reading about the match. It was very clear when they got in the ring as the bell rung that Mox was not ok. The first in ring exchange was so sloppy. Someone in the back needed to come down to get the match stopped. Mox is not going to stop it himself; and Fenix is in the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Knox fucked up. What did Fenix do wrong? He was working a match with someone who changed the finish on him. He was just rolling with the punches. I know the drivers looked rough, but all reports are neither one did any damage to Mox. It was him bouncing his head on the floor catching a dive. Piledrivers are a work. The head doesn't hit. He was doing what was called to him by Mox. Now if you're saying you're hot at them for continuing the match and not stopping, fair play. But in that case how do you think Mox reacts? Noted tough guy who prides himself on being gritty. If Fenix tried to force the match stoped that's gonna get heat from Mox. Another thing no one has considered is the language barrier. Fenix speaks English but it's not fluent. By all accounts Mox was rolling with the match script as is, he just told Knox to keep counting on something he was supposed to kick out of. It's a weird thing that never gets talked about. But laying out a match with a language barrier is not that difficult. There's usually someone who can help interpret. Wrestling names are generally the same across all language. But once you get in that ring that communication isn't really as prevalent. Like if you call Clothesline, dude is gonna know what that is. But if you call hey Fenix I'm hurt let's go home... how much of that is he truly going to understand? That's what I'm saying. As for Mox, medical opinion overwrites his want to continue. You need medics to protect athletes/wrestlers/fighters etc from themselves especially when it's head related. Welfare of the individual overcomes wanting to gut it out. Edited September 22, 2023 by The Natural 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian_Waffle Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Maybe Fenix is like Ron Burgundy with the teleprompter; if Jon Moxley tells him do something, he HAS to do it, no matter how stupid or career-threatening it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Look y'all, if I'm in the ring with Moxley and he tells me to do something then I'm going to fucking do it. That is not a person you go "naw dog" to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I’d be way more terrified of Renee if I helped her dumbass husband seriously hurt himself. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, (BP) said: I’d be way more terrified of Renee if I helped her dumbass husband seriously hurt himself. I was thinking of Renee and her daughter when shit went down alongside Mox's welfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Craig H said: Look y'all, if I'm in the ring with Moxley and he tells me to do something then I'm going to fucking do it. That is not a person you go "naw dog" to. If you're being serious this is a bananas take to me, especially after all the Punk stuff. You can't disagree with a punch drunk changing the finish on the fly or else, what, he shoots on you? Just roll out of the ring and take the count out, then get him fired for being an unprofessional danger to his coworkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Godfrey said: If you're being serious this is a bananas take to me, especially after all the Punk stuff. You can't disagree with a punch drunk changing the finish on the fly or else, what, he shoots on you? Just roll out of the ring and take the count out, then get him fired for being an unprofessional danger to his coworkers Except that's not how it would go down. Mox has the most pull of anyone in the company. If Fenix made a decision to go against what Mox wanted, even a not thinking clearly Mox, there's going to be repercussions. Fenix gets depushed. Less TV time. No segments with dudes Mox is tight with. That's the reality of what would happen if Fenix defied what Mox wanted. You can have whatever take you want on if that's rational or fair or makes any sense. But that's exactly how that scenario goes if Fenix takes a count out against script. The refs and doctors have to be empowered here. You can't be advocating for one wrestler to take agency of another. Because that turns into politics. You'd have guys changing finishes and going oops thought he was hurt. It doesn't work. Anyone giving Fenix heat here is out of touch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: The refs and doctors have to be empowered here. That's 100% where I'm at now and this is a lesson that I hope they learn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Except that's not how it would go down. Mox has the most pull of anyone in the company. If Fenix made a decision to go against what Mox wanted, even a not thinking clearly Mox, there's going to be repercussions. Fenix gets depushed. Less TV time. No segments with dudes Mox is tight with. That's the reality of what would happen if Fenix defied what Mox wanted. You can have whatever take you want on if that's rational or fair or makes any sense. But that's exactly how that scenario goes if Fenix takes a count out against script. The refs and doctors have to be empowered here. You can't be advocating for one wrestler to take agency of another. Because that turns into politics. You'd have guys changing finishes and going oops thought he was hurt. It doesn't work. You don't know that's how it would play out but if we assume it would go that way, then it's a serious systemic problem in AEW. No wrestler should ever be punished for putting their coworker's health before they do, and the fact that it's even framed as 'defying' Moxley is wild. Wrestling is a cooperative form of entertainment, you need to be able to trust your opponent and that kind of attitude flies in the face of a good working environment. And nobody can hand wave it away as 'that's just how wrestling works' anymore, getting away from that BS was exactly why AEW was formed in the first place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 MOX himself cut a promo saying "Maybe the old way has to die"... Loved Toni Storm's B&W entrance I also liked Jericho looking like he's lost a step in his match. Not sure if it was intentional or not but it added a nice touch of him trying to keep up with the younger man. Congrats to Eddie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoFistsJustFlips Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Godfrey said: You don't know that's how it would play out but if we assume it would go that way, then it's a serious systemic problem in AEW. No wrestler should ever be punished for putting their coworker's health before they do, and the fact that it's even framed as 'defying' Moxley is wild. Wrestling is a cooperative form of entertainment, you need to be able to trust your opponent and that kind of attitude flies in the face of a good working environment. And nobody can hand wave it away as 'that's just how wrestling works' anymore, getting away from that BS was exactly why AEW was formed in the first place We probably just aren't going to agree totally on this. In no way was AEW formed as a result of a need for wrestler safety. AEW even beat their chest as being the alternative to WWE's safety practices. Openly allowing blading, chair headshots (at first) and way fewer restrictions set down by management and agents about match content / move restrictions. I'm not even coming from a macho stand point saying oh like WWE shouldn't have ended that Danielson vs Orton match. I understood Danielson's frustration, but I back WWE stopping that one... and a lot of the other safety precautions put in place. Just like the NFL safety precautions are needed but you have to put a hierarchy in place to make the restrictions work. Yo can't be out here putting the decisions on that stuff in any of the wrestler's hands. Because they are always going to err on the side of pushing through. Just like you couldn't have a system in place where team mates on the field are the ones with the agency to pull other players in NFL games. You can say framing it as 'defying Mox' is wild, but it's accurate. Look no further than what happened to people defying Punk. The damn head of talent relations got sent home because of Punk. In no way am I saying Mox is like Punk at all. But I am saying it's something that happens all the time in wrestling and it has to be a consideration for someone in that situation. Fenix isn't gonna take that chance. And it shouldn't be on him to do so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 On a related note, someone told one of the mocking AEW accounts got banned from Twitter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 We all love Danielson here, but he has definitely show questionable judgment over the years with his own health and safety in matches. And multiply that by who no how many times with Moxley and some of the other deathmatch guys they have put on TV or ppv. Even if it was for the “wrong reasons” (bad PR), at least Vince put in safeguards to protect workers, often from themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 The "Don't Mess With Your Melon" commercial about concussions just showing up during Smackdown makes me laugh and laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: the other deathmatch guys they have put on TV Hey now, Gage took the poisonous dust out of his light tubes and replaced it with baby powder! Safety first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 hours ago, zendragon said: That's fine, I've seen enough of Stevie Richards' wrestling to know that I don't need to hear his opinion on other people's wrestling. 4 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 i haven't watched Rampage yet, but i just finished Dynamite. let me just say, AEW RULES THE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD~! love ya, @DEAN 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 hour Rampage was a 2 hour Rampage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I think I may have enjoyed Rampage more than Dynamite. It's a tough call. I reallu enjoyed both shows. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Julia Hart is well on her way I feel like. She's really got all the little things of her character down. Crazy to think she's 21. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Guys if you count the mixed tag we had two women's matches tonight!!!! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 4 hours ago, TheVileOne said: Julia Hart is well on her way I feel like. She's really got all the little things of her character down. Crazy to think she's 21. So young, you sometimes need reminding me of Julia Hart's age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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