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Alot of people say Stan Hansen's best year over all was '93. Obviously because his All Japan matches. What other top level wrestlers that have had their best body of work near or at the end of their careers

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Shawn’s best work was post injury. Arguably the best matches were near the tail end of his career.

DDP is another, but it’s odd. His full-time in-ring career was super short. Still his best run was in 96-98. He pretty much retired, and became a part-timer after WCW folded.

Edit: Oh wait, I blanked out on his WWE run, lol.

Time to wipe my mind from those years again.

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7 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Alot of people say Stan Hansen's best year over all was '93. Obviously because his All Japan matches. What other top level wrestlers that have had their best body of work near or at the end of their careers

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Not sureÔĽŅ¬†how many of you on here speak Spanish, but La Malicia (Dennis and Noel Rivera)¬†have a podcast and the guests in¬†this weeks episode were Los Fugitivos¬†(Niche and Lynx). They talked about their starts¬†in the business and the¬†Caguas Screwjob. It's a¬†two part podcast. This is the first part. I believe they will be uploading part 2 next week.¬†It's worth noting, Dennis is the brother¬†of Savio Vega who ran IWA and Noel is the son of Victor the Bodyguard who used to be Chicky Starr's bodyguard in WWC and then his tag team partner in Starr Corporation in early 2000's IWA. Dennis, Noel, Niche and Lynx also came through the business together, so they knew each as they worked smaller indy shows together before making it on TV in WWC and IWA.

Before the Caguas Screwjob, IWA and WWC tried to work an invasion angle and they had some invasions occur, but ultimately WWC backed out and didn't want to continue the angle. At the time, Dennis and Noel were the IWA tag team champs. Despite WWC backing out of the invasion angle, Carlos Colón wanted to bring La Malicia in to have a 2 match program with Los Fugitivos. La Malicia agreed to meet with Carlos to talk about the program. They met in Santurce and Carlos made them a good financial offer and they agreed to work the angle. However, given WWC's past of not paying wrestlers or checks bouncing, Dennis and Noel said they would have to get paid before the matches. Once they reached an agreement for the program, Dennis began thinking they should take the opportunity and stick it to WWC for backing out of the angle by shooting on them and stealing the titles.

Despite having reached agreement with Carlos, Dennis and Noel kept it quiet and Dennis opted not to tell Savio. After they reached an agreement to work the angle, Dennis and Noel called Niche and Lynx and they talked about changing whichever finish they would be given and turning into a full blown shoot with Dennis and Noel stealing the titles. Niche and Lynx weren't receptive as they were hot at the time and they didn't want to burn any bridges with WWC, so they turned it down. However, Dennis and Noel had already made up their minds and they were going to steal the titles regardless. Dennis also said he spoke with Moody who does commentary for AAA and who is his friend as they worked together in IWA. Dennis said Moody suggested they shouldn't go through with it as they will end up burning that bridge if they did steal the titles.

A couple of weeks before the match, Carlos contacted Dennis and Noel again and asked them to record some promos for the match. Dennis and Noel reiterated in their promos they would be leaving with the WWC titles one way or another, however no one knows this is their actual plan and not just a line they are dropping in their promos.

Dennis and Noel planned this out entirely as they knew the heat between the two companies was legit. They knew if they stole the titles, WWC would not air the match on TV, so they organized with someone secretly who would come to the arena and record the match so they could later share the footage of occurred. They also knew they wouldn't have much time to abandon the venue once they had the titles, so Dennis told Noel to bring as little things possible so they could grab them and rush out as soon as possible. Since the heat was legitimate between the companies, Dennis and Noel knew they needed to have backup in case someone pulled a gun on them before they got to leave the venue, so they had two people with them armed with guns just in case. Given they knew they would be tight on time, they had someone drive to the venue and wait for them outside, so they could leave the venue as quick as possible.

The day of the event Dennis and Noel arrived early at the arena and met with Carlos and they got paid. Orlando Colón also known as Epico Colón on WWE gave them the finish and it was supposed to be a double pin draw and a representative from the athletic commission would come out declare the match a draw which would vacate the titles and lead to the rematch. Before the match, Dennis and Noel cut another promo and again reiterate they will be leaving the venue with the titles one way or another. In the closing moments of the match, they call for the finish, but La Malicia decide to go with their own finish and the end up hitting a shoot sunset flip and the referee counts to three and Dennis and Noel win the match and win the titles. After the match they storm out of the venue and WWC has a locally well know security guard who they call Carlos Bocachula. He is standing in front of Noel and Dennis, but he's out of the loop of what's happening so he doesn't try to stop Dennis or Noel as they are leaving. Meanwhile Niche and Lynx chase behind them and Niche said he was legit mad at them and they were going to get into a fight if they could catch them.

That's where the podcast ends. Next week they should be uploading the second episode and I will be posting it on here and I will also be posting cliff notes along with it.

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I considered posting that here but wasn't sure if it veered too far into political territory.  I know he's the obvious heel but goddamn do I find it impossible to root against Sami Zayn.

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About the time a year or two ago we couldn't wait to hear Taker talk about his career since we couldn't because of his gimmick.  Now I wish he was just shut up about it for just a little bit and space it out.  We have at least 3 or 4 specials about it.  Although the Paul Bearer gets a pass for me on this.  A ton of podcasts and interview.  Now he is doing Cameo .   

The guy who was the perfect example of "protecting the business" about 6 months ago  

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WWE released John Brody, the Executive Vice President and Global Head of Sales & Partnerships and Head of International. More executives could had been let go or fired.

WWE signed multi-year deal with Credit One bank.

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20 minutes ago, hammerva said:

About the time a year or two ago we couldn't wait to hear Taker talk about his career since we couldn't because of his gimmick.  Now I wish he was just shut up about it for just a little bit and space it out.  We have at least 3 or 4 specials about it.  Although the Paul Bearer gets a pass for me on this.  A ton of podcasts and interview.  Now he is doing Cameo .   

Lol, at $1,000 per video.

For that price, I'm hoping he at least shows some skin.    Might have to wait for his onlyfans account for that one, though.

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48 minutes ago, Eoae said:

Lol, at $1,000 per video.

For that price, I'm hoping he at least shows some skin.    Might have to wait for his onlyfans account for that one, though.

That price screams someone saying "you should have a Cameo" and him going "sure, but I never want to have to do a video"

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24 minutes ago, dokdoyle said:

That price screams someone saying "you should have a Cameo" and him going "sure, but I never want to have to do a video"

He's only doing 30 of them, and then that's it.

I believe he just got on Cameo yesterday, and he's already sold 24.

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EDIT:  Didn't like the way I phrased it before.  But good for 'Taker living his best life even if it is a bit jarring at times seeing him on places like Tiktok.

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5 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said:

I considered posting that here but wasn't sure if it veered too far into political territory.  I know he's the obvious heel but goddamn do I find it impossible to root against Sami Zayn.

Lemme go full DVDVR "the heel is actually the face" right now. 

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6 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said:

Lemme go full DVDVR "the heel is actually the face" right now. 

I get he sentiment but I don't know if I can go that far.  In the traditional sense he does some very heelish actions and is deserving of boos from fans.  Even though his promos point out how he's an international champion and Bobby just represents one messed up country it still is in a super obnoxious manner.

BUT if you wanted to put a meta spin on it then the idea of Sami taunting a percentage of WWE's base that fall into flatscan territory would be a wildly different face move.  I don't think that's what they're going for though but it wouldn't surprise me if that's part of Sami's intent.

On second thought you may be right.  All I know is I would be super thrilled to meet the guy.  Heck, if not for a large percentage of it going to the company I would do one of those virtual meet and greets if he was doing one.

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Seriously, I just wanted to call out that specific DVDVR meme. 

I will say, however, that a) Sami is clearly a pretty smart dude and b) I think Bret Hart pulling off the "heel in America, face everywhere else" character is legitimately one of the more impressive jobs of walking a tightrope in characterization ever, and he should get even more credit than he already gets for his character work in 1997, and c) Sami probably could pull it off, too, though I think maybe the audience in the U.S. is less likely to turn on him if he tried. 

I looked at the comments under that post and even Americans replying are like, "Hey, you got us," so the audience of 2020 is very, very different from the audience of 1997. 

 

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17 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Alot of people say Stan Hansen's best year over all was '93. Obviously because his All Japan matches. What other top level wrestlers that have had their best body of work near or at the end of their careers

I'm not quite sure how you would qualify this as he's one of those guys who kept coming back but Foley? Hell in The Cell (taker and HHH), Three Austin matches in 98. Royale Rumble Street fight all right before he stopped being fulltime. Even his return against Orton was pretty good

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Would it be sacrilege to say Eddie Guerrero as a response? I have actually seen quite a bit of his AAA stuff, I think his team with Art Barr is good and that they were good heels, I think his WCW run is mostly excellent, but he was a legit megastar who was still having great matches by 2004-2005. 

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2 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said:

Would it be sacrilege to say Eddie Guerrero as a response? I have actually seen quite a bit of his AAA stuff, I think his team with Art Barr is good and that they were good heels, I think his WCW run is mostly excellent, but he was a legit megastar who was still having great matches by 2004-2005. 

Eddie was great early, but those last few years was when he put it all together and became one of the best ever.

So, no.  It's not sacrilege in my opinion.

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Reportedly NXT to run more shows. Meltzer said Triple H is aiming to create another show for talent. Me I expect something like AEW dark or Main Event but for NXT people only. 

Zelina Vega was escorted out of the building,  the third party policy will be strictly enforced.

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