HumanChessgame Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 We've had this thread before on the old forum, but the recent posts in the general wrestling chat thread made it seem like this could warrant its own topic. What moves (or variations thereof) are being overused, or are just too bothersome to continue being used regularly? Are there any moves that you've seen certain guys use a time or two or in the past that should be done more often? It seems like every year there's some move that gets done way too often, especially on the indies. My personal memories recal the standing SSP being a bit thing in 02 or so followed by the shining wizard, lungblower, canadian destroyer/code red variations, and nowadays the flying/diving knee strike.
kafkonia Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 It seems like every year there's some move that gets done way too often, especially on the indies. My personal memories recal the standing SSP being a bit thing in 02 or so followed by the shining wizard, lungblower, canadian destroyer/code red variations, and nowadays the flying/diving knee strike. Superkicks. Superkicks everywhere.
username Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Throwing people between the corner turnbuckles and into the post, toss in its close cousin the miss the corner shoulder charge into the post. 1
nofuture Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Dead-lift suplexes seem to be pretty popular lately, both in the indies and Japan.
The Man Known as Dan Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 For every time you see an Enziguri variatio on a major indy show, you should take a shot. You will struggle to get through 3 matches. I almost miss the day in age of the Shining Wizard/Lungblower run by comparison
sydneybrown Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Anybody over 350 lbs using the splash or the avalanche and that not being the end of the match. That was part of the charm of big men. If they wore you down enough to squash you, that was the end. Now even running avalanches are just transition moves. 1
The Man Known as Dan Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 In related news, Corner Cannonballs were overused like mad for a short while a few years back. I remember Dan Maff doing it and being awesome, but I saw very that looked even good by many other people. Oddly enough, one of them was Heliochet doing one to UMB that looked completely brutal.
sydneybrown Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 And if we're discussing overused moves from any period, it seemed like every third guy had a powerbomb between 1989-1992. Which coincidentally was roughly the same time the DDT was ruined forever.
SirSmUgly Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 For under-used moves, I sort of like ring-assisted moves as long as they aren't too contrived. I remember being a kid and totally buying the Stun Gun getting an insta-three, but maybe that's because I have a bit of a choking/suffocating phobia. Still, someone on weekly TV should be using the Stun Gun as a finisher.
The Man Known as Dan Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Also.... is it kinda odd the Crossface is kinda getting overused now? Name a major US promotion, and it has a key wrestler doing the Crossface, if not as a finisher, but as a pet submission
twiztor Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 its close cousin the miss the corner shoulder charge into the post. me and my buddies used to watch Nitro and/or Raw every week waiting for this spot. Then we'd all cheer when we saw it. EVERY. DAMN. WEEK.
HumanChessgame Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 Anybody over 350 lbs using the splash or the avalanche and that not being the end of the match. That was part of the charm of big men. If they wore you down enough to squash you, that was the end. Now even running avalanches are just transition moves. On the other side of the coin - non-hosses using a lariat as a finisher.
E.J. Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Need more big dudes murdering jobbers with spinebusters ala Batista and Ron Simmons
Brian Fowler Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Underused: Brought up in the chit chat thread, but somebody needs to be doing THE POUNCE on my tv again. Overused: The goddamn spear in WWE. Even with Batista and Edge gone, we still can't get below 4 people who use it regularly.
Henne Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 And if we're discussing overused moves from any period, it seemed like every third guy had a powerbomb between 1989-1992. Which coincidentally was roughly the same time the DDT was ruined forever. They were all trying to be the first to POWERBOMB KIDMAN before he even existed. They all failed, obviously, because YOU CANNOT POWERBOMB KIDMAN! 3
Brian Fowler Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 For my money, it wasn't until ECW when the DDT really got ruined. 1
mattdangerously Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 For under-used moves, I sort of like ring-assisted moves as long as they aren't too contrived. I remember being a kid and totally buying the Stun Gun getting an insta-three, but maybe that's because I have a bit of a choking/suffocating phobia.Still, someone on weekly TV should be using the Stun Gun as a finisher.Speaking of ring-assisted moves, I wish someone would bust out Bret's old figure four around the ring post. That always looked excruciating, which might be why it isn't used anymore. Maybe no one wants to take it.As far as overused, I'm pretty sure there's a Houston City Ordinance that states every area indy show must feature no fewer than two Falcon Arrows per show.
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 That rear naked choke phase from 2001-2003, which evolved into a rear naked choke drop/bomb/slam. Or when guys started using UFC stuff like the go-go-plata until it became Taker's only. Can't remember which one, but I swear there was an ROH show from about 2003/4 where there was a lungblower in every match on the card.
Brian Fowler Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Didn't Bret knock himself silly once doing the ring-post figure four and banging his head on the floor? (Also, is it just my imagination, or did it at some start getting called The Hart Lock?)
DreamBroken Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Speaking of ring-assisted moves, I wish someone would bust out Bret's old figure four around the ring post. That always looked excruciating, which might be why it isn't used anymore. Maybe no one wants to take it. Gail Kim's been using the ring post figure four in TNA
Henne Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Antonio should be jackhammering guys left and right. He's been doing the vertical suplex for years, holding all sorts of losers up there for hours.
EricR Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Didn't Bret knock himself silly once doing the ring-post figure four and banging his head on the floor? (Also, is it just my imagination, or did it at some start getting called The Hart Lock?) I think it was in THEE match against Goldberg and one of the things he attributed ending his career to. He blamed Goldberg for not properly holding his leg.
JRV Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Dutch pro wrestling used to be Michinoku Driver mania. And if something wasn't a Michinoku Driver, the announcers would still call it that. It was a bad time for the empire.
Go2Sleep Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 The shoulder to the ringpost spot is still horribly overused, but not as bad as it was a few years ago. I swear I remember an episode of SD where it was in literally every match. Underused is definitely good old knife-edge chops. No reason a few guys couldn't be dishing those out as signature strikes.
Bustronaut Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 I kinda want to see the Diamond Dust come back, now that someone brought it up. Maybe a reverse DD as a counter to a back body drop? Is that even physically possible?
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