LethalStriker Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 With it being tougher to get in the HOF via the BBWAA it's going to make the quality of Veteran ballots that much deep with talent in the future. They need to stop doing the rotating every three years thing. Pre-integration players shouldn't get voted on more then once every 5 years or so. If you haven't played in MLB since 1947 and you have to be voted in you're probably not worthy. What are these guys going to keep getting voted upon for the next 100 years or so until they finally get in and they have to have their great great great grand children accept the plaque for them? Once you get to the veterans committee it should be 3 strikes are you're out. If you don't get in on your 3rd veterans committee ballot then you're no longer a HOF candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 It reads like this guy is generally pretty accurate, so it's depressing if this is the only guy that makes it in. http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2013/12/15/2014-hall-fame-election-forecast/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 It reads like this guy is generally pretty accurate, so it's depressing if this is the only guy that makes it in. http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2013/12/15/2014-hall-fame-election-forecast/ Aww... Ryan hates my posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 along with his surly relationship with the media, will keep him out of Cooperstown for the foreseeable future. Like I said, burn the thing down and let us never speak of it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 With it being tougher to get in the HOF via the BBWAA it's going to make the quality of Veteran ballots that much deep with talent in the future. They need to stop doing the rotating every three years thing. Pre-integration players shouldn't get voted on more then once every 5 years or so. If you haven't played in MLB since 1947 and you have to be voted in you're probably not worthy. What are these guys going to keep getting voted upon for the next 100 years or so until they finally get in and they have to have their great great great grand children accept the plaque for them? Once you get to the veterans committee it should be 3 strikes are you're out. If you don't get in on your 3rd veterans committee ballot then you're no longer a HOF candidate. If you're doing that (and especially with how loaded the ballots are now), then the three strikes rule should also change the BBWAA voting rule: If you get less than 5% of the ballot, you're ineligible to be voted in from the BBWAA for the ballot- but, after the normal 22-25 years past your career's end, you do become eligible for Veterans' Committee consideration. (However- to keep with the "3 strikes" rule: Any player who got less than 5% on the Veteran's Committee ballot starts with one strike and only get two chances to make the HOF through the committee.) It should help keep things going as new stats/effects change people's cases for the better (and should work when the HOF closes the Expansion Era at 1973-1994 and just institutes "The PED Era" from 1995-present, just to get it over with.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Rafael Palmeiro Was The Ideal Steroids Scapegoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 The HOF vote tracker dealie over at the former Primer has Maddux, Glavine, Thomas and Biggio all going in But they usually have more guys than actually get in since they can only track people who reveal their ballot and usually the blank ones or the stupid ones aren't revealed until after the vote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I hope Bagwell and/or Biggio get in, but i dont think they will this year. If i had to bet, i would guess only Maddux and Glavine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I spotted this via Joe - but all the MLB.com writers and their votes It is such a shame that Deadspin is sullying the HOF vote. Thank God - their are upstanding citizens like Ken Gurnick KEN GURNICK, Dodgers beat reporter Morris Morris has flaws -- a 3.90 ERA, for example. But he gets my vote for more than a decade of ace performance that included three 20-win seasons, Cy Young Award votes in seven seasons and Most Valuable Players votes in five. As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won't vote for any of them. FUCK YOU GREG MADDUX!!! MAYBE YOUR PARENTS SHOULD HAVE FUCKED A DECADE SOONER!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hmm. So let's see... If we conservatively call the beginning of the ROID ERA~~!!!! 1988 when Caseco had his monster year - we probably should go with 87 but let's be conservative. Maybe the roids were not appealing to other players until 1988 for whatever reason... Morris had a 20 win season in 1992. So clearly that does not count. Two of his Cy and MVP votes came in 91 and 92. So those two do not count. So Morris is down to 2 20 win seasons. Five seasons with Cy votes and three seasons with MVP votes. So...how exactly is Morris a better candidate than, say, Dave Steib? RINGZ~!!!!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I spotted this via Joe - but all the MLB.com writers and their votes It is such a shame that Deadspin is sullying the HOF vote. Thank God - their are upstanding citizens like Ken Gurnick KEN GURNICK, Dodgers beat reporter Morris Morris has flaws -- a 3.90 ERA, for example. But he gets my vote for more than a decade of ace performance that included three 20-win seasons, Cy Young Award votes in seven seasons and Most Valuable Players votes in five. As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won't vote for any of them. FUCK YOU GREG MADDUX!!! MAYBE YOUR PARENTS SHOULD HAVE FUCKED A DECADE SOONER!!! I'll give him credit for being on the record about it and not hiding like a pussy. He can still go to hell though. . . wtf is with this Jack Morris love? 3.90 era from the 80's-90's is nothing to be excessively proud about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 FUCKING BULLSHIT ALL THE BULLSHITS FUCK THIS GUY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 One of the more ridiculous things abut Gurnick - three years ago, he voted for Blyleven and Smith, but not Morris. Two years ago, Morris and Smith. This year and last year - just Morris, no Smith. It boggles my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Whats his definition of the steroid era? Morris pitched in early 90s. Tom House has said there were steroids around in the 60s and 70s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I spotted this via Joe - but all the MLB.com writers and their votes It is such a shame that Deadspin is sullying the HOF vote. Thank God - their are upstanding citizens like Ken Gurnick KEN GURNICK, Dodgers beat reporter Morris Morris has flaws -- a 3.90 ERA, for example. But he gets my vote for more than a decade of ace performance that included three 20-win seasons, Cy Young Award votes in seven seasons and Most Valuable Players votes in five. As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won't vote for any of them. FUCK YOU GREG MADDUX!!! MAYBE YOUR PARENTS SHOULD HAVE FUCKED A DECADE SOONER!!! I'll give him credit for being on the record about it and not hiding like a pussy. He can still go to hell though. . . wtf is with this Jack Morris love? 3.90 era from the 80's-90's is nothing to be excessively proud about. So let me get this straight. Even though at no point was Maddux under any kind of suspicion of juicing, but because the hitters he faced juiced, THAT'S why he's not voting for him? If anything, give the guy two votes, since he neutralized steroids with an 87 mph fastball. Even if there is a moral high ground to be had here that doesn't not make this a Vote Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 There actually *is* a rational reason for leaving Maddux off your ballot - strategy to give a vote to someone who might drop off that doesn't deserve to or is on the brink of election. But this isn't that, it's just full-blown attention whoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 There actually *is* a rational reason for leaving Maddux off your ballot - strategy to give a vote to someone who might drop off that doesn't deserve to or is on the brink of election. But this isn't that, it's just full-blown attention whoring. Still not as dumb as the octogenarian who *cough cough* "accidentally" left Rickey off his ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Brandon McCarthy on Twitter: "No dad, no more stories about these players, tell me again about the writers who got them here!"- future 8 yr old visiting Cooperstown https://twitter.com/BMcCarthy32/statuses/420611869443776512 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 voting for Jack Morris and snubbing every PED era guy is like voting for Larry Zbyszko for the Wrestling Hall of Fame and snubbing every post-1985 candidate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It's the era of people he's not voting for, duh. Jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well, it doesn't matter anymore since that punkass shithead said he'll never vote for anyone ever again. Fuck him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHFP Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I appreciate the fact that his reasoning is so undeniably dumb, it might cause a debate about making changes. Of course probably nothing will come of it, stupidity has never stopped the BBWAA in fact they seem to encourage it. Speaking of stupidity I voted for more than 10 players so remove 1 vote from Curt Shilling and Rafael Palmerio from the actual count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 he voted for Lee Smith/Bert Blyleven in 2011, so apparently Lee Smith lost his HOF status and Jack Morris become a HOF since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 he voted for Lee Smith/Bert Blyleven in 2011, so apparently Lee Smith lost his HOF status and Jack Morris become a HOF since then Lee Smith's own fault for coming out of retirement to blow that save in the 2012 World Series. Oh. Wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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