Burgundy LaRue Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 The Miz has never been presented as a badass. He's always been the weasel heel who sneaks his way to victories and championships. And I can't imagine him ever bullying someone on the playground. That would require putting his face in danger and even at a young age, Miz wasn't doing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 hours ago, cwoy2j said: JJ Dillon wrote about this in his book. Steiner's defense was that Hogan had cut a similar shoot style promo on Flair a few weeks earlier. The problem was that Hogan and Flair were involved in an angle and even though there was some shooty stuff, it pertained to their angle and Hogan didn't flat out say WCW sucks and that he was going to watch Stone Cold. Originally they were going to suspend him for a month without pay. Then I think two weeks without pay. Then they just fined him. Then Steiner's lawyer got involved and they ended up not suspending him at all and giving him a bonus equivalent to whatever his fine was. Who knows what is true but what I heard was that all those guys had guaranteed contracts and there was no provision in them to withhold money, so even if they were suspended they still got paid. But really, the equivalent of this today would be Reigns burying UT before WM for being old and washed up and then saying NJPW had a better streaming service where real stars wrestled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Burgundy LaRue said: The Miz has never been presented as a badass. Remember babyface Miz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Count me in with the group that can't buy KO as a prize fighter. He's not Tank Abbott. There's nothing about him that says "prize fighter". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Owens wrestled his typical spotty match that pops WWE crowds last I saw in November. Which is fine and matches with what he did in ROH, too. He wrestled to the crowd. But in NXT, he came off as Baby Vader. He was violent. Even that CJ Parker squash was four minutes of conflict that felt real in it's violence. The palm strike that busted Owens up added to that, for sure, but Owens worked like the blood just made him meaner. It was reminiscent of Joe going nuts and murdering Balor after being busted open. That sense of raw violence permeated that whole KO NXT run, right up to that ladder match with Balor that eschewed dives and wobbly ladder spots for Owens trying to murder Balor with the ladder. He's working for a different crowd now, but he was locked in as a legit great worker for that ten-month span. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, mattdangerously said: Remember babyface Miz? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 6 hours ago, The Iron Yuppie said: I find Owens to be awful. He's had a few individual matches I liked, but on the whole, I find him grating. What I saw of him in ROH, I thought he was Davey Richards levels of bad when it came to moves-over-psychology. Obviously he's not THAT bad about it in WWE, but still more of a video-game worker without much psychology. I also can't stand his gimmick. I'm glad they dropped the Prizefighter stuff, but I just don't buy him as a bad-ass tough guy. I find that so ill-fitting for a kinda short, kinda pudgy guy with a very youthful face. I think he could work as a schoolyard bully-type, who cheap shots and sucker punches but withers and whines like a coward when a face stands up to him. It seems that's what they're going for with him, but he plays it like way too much of a tough guy. Even that would be too much for Owens. Owens is more the "disagreeable neckbeard living in his parents' basement who gets bullied and then takes it out by playing some FPS, poorly, and screaming curse words into it at whatever 12 year old actually manages to kill him- often" than even a schoolyard bully-type. ...and now you see why Owens has such a following. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 He occasionally gets to show flashes of that pure ultra violence stuff still. Mostly only when he's destroying Jericho though. He managed to have a watchable match with Dean Ambrose once. That's otherworldly great right there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 11 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Hey guys, did we have a March Madness this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 14 hours ago, mattdangerously said: Remember babyface Miz? Can you give me a reason why I'd want to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 You're a masochist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 15 hours ago, mattdangerously said: Remember babyface Miz? 37 minutes ago, Horton Hears a Wooo!!! said: Can you give me a reason why I'd want to? I think this fits the time period. If not, still needs seeing ; ) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I'd take Owens on my side in a bar fight over lots of other dudes on the roster, especially with his top notch shit talking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin877 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 On 5/9/2017 at 5:24 PM, Wyld Samurai said: When I first got back into the WWE, I had heard that Hennig's kid was was wrestling. I didn't know that Dolph was a repackaged Spirit Squad kid yet and assumed that Ziggler was Perfect Jr. This was due to the insane flips he'd take on being fingerpoked, and the curly hair. I thought for the longest time, I was the only person that thought that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 5 hours ago, christopher.annino said: I'd take Owens on my side in a bar fight over lots of other dudes on the roster, especially with his top notch shit talking. I submit that it would probably be his shit talking that got you in that bar fight to begin with. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 5 hours ago, christopher.annino said: I'd take Owens on my side in a bar fight over lots of other dudes on the roster, especially with his top notch shit talking. You can take Owens. I'll gladly have Rusev as my handsome champion. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 On 5/10/2017 at 7:50 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said: I hope the Danielson and Garcia-Colace families were in the delivery room chanting "Best in the world", singing Europe's "The Final Countdown", and banging on anything as if it were ROH's metal guardrails. On LOST, Claire's baby kept being called Turnip Head by Charlie. Baby Bryan-Bella first plays in a crib, the kid is going to be called Barricade Slapper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibata Is My Homie Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Apparently Rip Rogers caused the youngsters of twitter to freak out when he said that these guys don't know how to wrestle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 If he knew what it took to be great, why wasn't he a huge star? I know, people might be offended because he was "awesome" and threw great punches or whatever. So go ahead and knock my comment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, PetrolCB said: If he knew what it took to be great, why wasn't he a huge star? I know, people might be offended because he was "awesome" and threw great punches or whatever. So go ahead and knock my comment. Some people are good teachers and some are good doers. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean you can't teach someone how to do it well and vice versa. I hardly think anyone will tout Larry Sharpe as a great worker but he taught some good ones. Jericho and Lance Storm both said that Ed Langley was a shit wrestler and a ridiculous old man but he was a hell of a trainer. On the flip side, think of how many great players turn out to be shit coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 This is a reasonable response. His comment was a bit stupid, albeit true in some aspects. Its like in music. Some failed musicians are better producers, and vice versa. Film too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 If I'm not mistaken, Rip was also one of the trainers when OVW was a developmental territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Rip posted this on his twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_sz7ktXYAAFDNe.jpg:large 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 How did Rip Rogers get ahold of a PWG show script? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, mattdangerously said: How did Rip Rogers get ahold of a PWG show script? He fought forever. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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