odessasteps Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Re: merchandise I remember someone claiming when the bought a wcw figure the it would scan as a hogan figure even if it wasn't at toys r us. Is that the same as the aforementioned Jericho anecdote or another example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I think he deserves more than what he got at the time. I still firmly believe he should've been the one to end the streak at Havoc and enter 1999 as the face-champion. Hell, even DDP taking the belt off Goldberg at Havoc 98 and then being plugged into Goldberg's spot (losing to Nash, fucked over by the nWo in the rematch, etc) would've worked out better considering how things went. (DDP probably would've carried the stupid angle with Elizabeth claiming assault on 1/4 better as well.) Also, DDP probably wouldn't have tried to punch out a car window with his bare hands. Wrong nWo reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ray Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Re: merchandise I remember someone claiming when the bought a wcw figure the it would scan as a hogan figure even if it wasn't at toys r us.Is that the same as the aforementioned Jericho anecdote or another example? I don't recall it as a jericho anecdote, I think it was on a previous doctor who life of this board or the other arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Jericho's story also appears in The Death of WCW, so it probably came from the Observer at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 It's in Death of WCW and I think maybe Jericho's first book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 DDP ending the streak would've been great. The Diamond Cutter was so over, you could probably save the majority of Goldberg's heat just by letting him kick out of one, but have him still be out of it enough DDP could just get him up and hit a second one for the win right away. Way better than a taser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Have WCW merch numbers ever came out?Based on the famous Jericho anecdote, should any numbers be seen as credible?HATED that story for years as I always looked at it being something Jericho over exaggerated. Then again, Sullivan recently has claimed that Hogan got 50% of all live show merchandise so maybe there actually was something there to it. You really don't think a corporation would do shady and hard to prove things in order to make their top talent happy and probably cut down on cost to other talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 The "Vince's limo driver is in the Hall so ANYBODY can get in" stuff needs to go away. James Dudley was the first black pro-wrestling promoter and did a bunch for the business. Koko B Ware and Nikolai Volkoff being in are a much bigger argument for "anybody can get in" than James Dudley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Yeah, plus he also fathered more second-generation wrestlers (with a wider variety of mothers) than anyone else in the history of the business. Two of 'em are still working in the WWE today! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ray Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 James "Big Daddy" Dudley? I heard he poked a hontus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEN! Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 DDP regularly got good pops during that period. Sting and Goldberg regularly made the building shake during that period. The "Vince's limo driver is in the Hall so ANYBODY can get in" stuff needs to go away. James Dudley was the first black pro-wrestling promoter and did a bunch for the business. A bunch for the business such as...? As a "promoter" he basically collected the box office receipts for the DC venue and delivered them to Vince, Sr. Sometimes he waved a towel. Mostly he drove a limo. I assume he buried a body at some point as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I don't think putting DDP over Goldberg would've been the right way to end the streak either. It would have probably been better than the ridiculous one-two combo of the tazering and the finger-poking coming on back-to-back nights, sure. But I think Goldberg's streak and title reign both had a lot more gas in the tank. Once he won the title WCW should've been booking Goldberg exactly like the WWF booked Hogan in 1985. James "Big Daddy" Dudley? I heard he poked a hontus...Of course! Where else did you think Dances With Dudleys came from? I assume he buried a body at some point as well.I'm assuming that's why he got inducted into the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I assume he buried a body at some point as well.I'm assuming that's why he got inducted into the Hall.Now I'm imaging James Dudley pushing a blood stained, lumpy sack into a crudely dug hole while Vince Sr. stand by furiously shaking a fist full of quarters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Page was fucking great. Watch that match with Goldberg again. The way he lays the entire thing out based around the potential of one move is jaw dropping. Great match. Best match either man had. I still firmly believe he should've been the one to end the streak at Havoc and enter 1999 as the face-champion. In retrospect, this would have been the very best way to end Goldberg's streak without it seeming cheap or forced. People believed that 1) the Diamond Cutter equaled death and that 2) DDP could hit it from anywhere at any time and immediately turn the tide of a match. DDP getting the win off that Diamond Cutter that popped the roof off the place at Havoc would have been totally accepted by the crowd. DDP ending the streak would've been great. The Diamond Cutter was so over, you could probably save the majority of Goldberg's heat just by letting him kick out of one, but have him still be out of it enough DDP could just get him up and hit a second one for the win right away. Way better than a taser. Agree with all. Man talking about the Halloween Havoc 1998 match is making me want to watch it again. I'd give you all likes but I'm out for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivpvideos Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Goldbergs booking after he won the title ridiculous. Held off of several ppvs, only main evented two of them. Was a complete afterthought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Goldbergs booking after he won the title ridiculous. Held off of several ppvs, only main evented two of them. Was a complete afterthoughtNext thing you know he'll get his walking papers on his wedding day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Goldbergs booking after he won the title ridiculous. Held off of several ppvs, only main evented two of them. Was a complete afterthought The story of WCW isn't that they went out of business. The story of WCW is, "How in the fuck did they stay in business for so long?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 They can't really have that anymore though. TNA has been in business longer than they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 They can't really have that anymore though. TNA has been in business longer than they were. The story of TNA will actually be "Who in the fuck spent all this money to keep this shitty promotion going for so long?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Page didn't get anything he didn't deserve. He was friends with Bischoff in '94 when he was jobbing and easy sudden the cats. I have no idea what this means but it's awesome. It reads like you had a stroke mid-post. I think he deserves more than what he got at the time. I still firmly believe he should've been the one to end the streak at Havoc and enter 1999 as the face-champion. (DDP probably would've carried the stupid angle with Elizabeth claiming assault on 1/4 better as well.) DDP definitely has more of a sexual predator or a "I'll slap a broad" vibe to him than Goldberg. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I have no facts to base this on, bu I'm pretty sure DDP was a pimp at one time in his life, so I totally catch the "I'll slap a broad" vibe. I feel like Goldberg gave off more of a "I'll raise my voice, go into a roid rage, and slam my shoulder into the ground like Ben Affleck in that after school speical" vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I have no facts to base this on, bu I'm pretty sure DDP was a pimp at one time in his life, so I totally catch the "I'll slap a broad" vibe. I feel like Goldberg gave off more of a "I'll raise my voice, go into a roid rage, and slam my shoulder into the ground like Ben Affleck in that after school speical" vibe. DDP strikes me as a dude who will slap a broad, and then convince himself that it hurt him more than it hurt her. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Much like Scientology, there are secret upper echelons of DDP Yoga where the highest achievers are exposed to the belief system's true secrets. But instead of Xenu, DDP teaches Arthur, et al the secrets of keeping one's pimp hand strong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Wow. Trying to piece back together what my phone changed each word to. Cats was definitely card. Way down the card, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 How well did his merchandise sell? What ratings did his quarter-hours pull?Anyone? How about the buyrates for the PPVs he main evented? "He got huge crowd pops!" isn't something you can quantify. Someone provide some numbers comparing him to other guys in the top spot around the same time. CRZ's recaps of that era generally had the quarter-hours, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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