cwoy2j Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Possibly because WWE didn't want to get sued by whoever owned the rights to Nirvana? Wouldn't fly - the "Jimmy Hart Version" would be in public domain. I think that's partially the reason why they didn't use a lot of WCW themes (other than the main reason, which is likely "they are WCW themes.") I think it's still a situation of the Jimmy Hart Version being too close. Even WCW altered/replaced it in their video games: They change Raven's WCW theme for the Network as well. They use the WWE version with the cawing at the beginning but without the lyrics.
PetrolCB Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Well yeah, but most of us could have had excellent matches with Benoit in 97/98. I've been watching those '97 Nitro's on WWEN lately, and it's amazing how over he is despite not being heavily pushed. I mean, the same could be said for others too. I know it's not like he was in super serious angles, but the crowd was definitely digging him. I wonder how his career/life would've panned out had he done more than feud with Sullivan, Raven, Bo7 with Booker T and tag with Dean.
supremebve Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Well yeah, but most of us could have had excellent matches with Benoit in 97/98. I've been watching those '97 Nitro's on WWEN lately, and it's amazing how over he is despite not being heavily pushed. I mean, the same could be said for others too. I know it's not like he was in super serious angles, but the crowd was definitely digging him. I wonder how his career/life would've panned out had he done more than feud with Sullivan, Raven, Bo7 with Booker T and tag with Dean. Yeah, I don't think people remember how over guys like Benoit and Malenko were in WCW. Malenko taking off the Ciclope mask was about as big of a pop as you can get. I was a bigger fan of WCWs midcard than their main event for most of their big run. Page was a huge deal, he was arguably the #2 babyface in the business during the biggest money making period of American wrestling. The Diamond Cutter was a phenomenon. I remember when a couple of people on the high school soccer team got suspended for hitting each other with Diamond Cutters during practice. It was every bit as big as the RKO from nowhere thing, but without YouTube to push it into the main stream. He is actually someone who could have been bigger if WCW wasn't ass backwards.
J.H. Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Page's emergence came during the NWO angle. He was one of the first guys to turn them down and then feuded with NWO era Savage. I remember when he turned down joining the NWO. It was a pretty big deal because they openly courted him. When he turned Hall and Nash down that was the moment he went from lower midcard guy to Upper Midcard and eventually the Savage feud. The Savage feud gave him the cred to be US champ (even though it was a short reign). No guy worked their way from the bottom to Main Event quite the way DDP did. James
Michael Sweetser Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 I think people would be shocked how many that are considered good/great workers actually script their matches beforehand. Calling it in the ring, much like die-cast construction, is becoming a lost art. I wonder how many in WWE right now can actually do it outside of basic spot sequences. (Also, don't pan guys that call it in the back so badly - believe me, that shit's hard, especially if you don't have a great memory to begin with. The one major singles match I did in ECCW was completely worked out beforehand, and my brain almost exploded trying to keep it all straight - and that match only went about six minutes.)
Brysynner Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Finishing up Hall and SCSA. It's interesting how much the WWF vs. WCW war is still going on in the minds of Vince and Hunter. I wonder if the Sting/Hunter match wasn't just to have Hunter beat Sting but to have DX look dominate over the nWo.
The Nature Boy Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Part of me thinks that Hunter is just bitter that he didn't get to bury WCW during the Invasion like everyone else did. 1
odessasteps Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 @steveaustinBSR: You can take my name off the rumor mill as a Brock Lesnar opponent at WM32. Bullshit reporting.
Brian Fowler Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Well yeah, but most of us could have had excellent matches with Benoit in 97/98. True, but Page's batting average those two years was pretty fucking phenomenal as well. 1
Charlie M. Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 DDP and HHH strike me as very similar when I think about their careers. They got put in positions they probably didn't deserve based on their political maneuverings yet they eventually did well in those spots. Imagine WCW never collapses and Bischoff remains in charge. DDP winds up in a position of power for as long as he likes.
Brian Fowler Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Page didn't get anything he didn't deserve. He was friends with Bischoff in '94 when he was jobbing and easy sudden the cats. He got in better shape, got better in the ring, established the Diamond Cutter, and got over. Then he got one big angle and ran with it and got massively over. And he still didn't get the belt until way later than he probably should have. Of course, I also think Triple H belonged in the main event, so...
Charlie M. Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 That's glossing over a lot of the politics in WCW and other people who were more over or more talented not getting those same chances. Page had his in because of Bischoff and because of Hall & Nash. There were a bunch of guys who were incredibly over in the midcard who the top guys simply refused to even do programs with.
Brian Fowler Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Sure. But to say Page didn't deserve it is absurd. I'm also not sure who was more over in the mid card. Better, there were a few, more over though? I can't think of anyone that was both.
Charlie M. Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 How can you really determine if he "deserved" it or not? Politics is part of any business and Page played them well, just like HHH did. His opportunities weren't purely merit based but they rarely are in wrestling. Like I mentioned, he did well once he got them but I'm sure if you go back and look at the various stages of his ascension, you'll find guys at his level who are more over and better performers who didn't get the same opportunity. Remember that he went from feuding with Eddy over the silly BattleBowl ring to Hall and Nash giving him the rub when the nWo was burying everyone.
J.H. Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 It was Savage that essentially saw tht Page was "Kegit" He was the on who tld Bischoff that he was willing to let Page get that HUGE PPV win, in a match people assumed Savage was going to win. That was his major "rub". If Randy Savage says you got the fuckin goods then you got the fuckin goods and welcome ot the big time! James
Victator Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Page was already over when he got the Battlebowl ring. Who deserved it more than Page?
MORELOCK Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Arguments could be made for any of the usual "vanilla midget" suspects being better/"deserving" it more, but I can't think of anyone that jumps out that was more over.
The Nature Boy Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Here's a challenge to all the DDP doubters. Watch ANY 1997 Nitro, they're all on the Network and then come back and tell me that DDP wasn't one of the most over people on the roster.
cwoy2j Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Here's a challenge to all the DDP doubters. Watch ANY 1997 Nitro, they're all on the Network and then come back and tell me that DDP wasn't one of the most over people on the roster. Once DDP got good in the ring (which was around 95 or so), he was one of those guys where you never really saw a bad match of his. He might have a boring match or an average one but you never saw an out and out trainwreck no matter who he was in the ring with. He was extremely competent in the ring and I mean that as a compliment.
cwoy2j Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I was laughing so hard when Jake told the story of how he tried to blade to convince his wife he was attacked at a bar. I listened to that podcast the other day and that instantly became my favorite Jake story.
J.H. Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Yeah, that is a fair assesment. DDP was a guy that was not impressive but then around 95, he started puttign everything together. It was actually the feud with Eddy over the BattleBowl ring where it really started to come out and then by 97 the Savage feud brought out his full potential. In 2 yers, he went from carryable to a better than solid worker with flashes of brilliance. That and the crowd connected with him because of his common man vibe. I mean listen to the pop he gets after the La Parka incident. It's like Dusty in Tampa HUGE! James
Charlie M. Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Here's a challenge to all the DDP doubters. Watch ANY 1997 Nitro, they're all on the Network and then come back and tell me that DDP wasn't one of the most over people on the roster. I don't think anyone is doubting that.
Jingus Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 How well did his merchandise sell? What ratings did his quarter-hours pull?
lovchunky Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I always liked DDP's matches/feud with Johnny B. Badd. That was 94/95. People say Bischoff never created any stars but Goldberg and DDP were huge.
MORELOCK Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Here's a challenge to all the DDP doubters. Watch ANY 1997 Nitro, they're all on the Network and then come back and tell me that DDP wasn't one of the most over people on the roster. I don't think anyone is doubting that. It seemed like you were. Which wrestlers were you referring to that were more over that didn't receive a push?
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