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The Natural

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5 minutes ago, Zimbra said:

Here's your reality show, AEW: OC and Shibata hanging out in Vegas

 

I'm torn between wanting to see Bryan Danielson vs. Katsuyori Shibata but watching through fingers with their head injuries history.

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twiztor

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10 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

She was called interim champion until she lost the title. Hayter was still interim champion when she won the belt.

don't remember if it was the Full Gear match where Hayter won the belt, or the Dynamite afterward (@the Natural's post implies that it was the post-PPV Dynamite) but Coach Tony K promoted Hayter to full champion and retroactively made Toni's title reign for the full title, not the interim. YMMV on if you see it that way, but that's how AEW officially records it.

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1 hour ago, twiztor said:

don't remember if it was the Full Gear match where Hayter won the belt, or the Dynamite afterward (@the Natural's post implies that it was the post-PPV Dynamite) but Coach Tony K promoted Hayter to full champion and retroactively made Toni's title reign for the full title, not the interim. YMMV on if you see it that way, but that's how AEW officially records it.

That's not how interim titles work.

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The Natural

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1 hour ago, twiztor said:

don't remember if it was the Full Gear match where Hayter won the belt, or the Dynamite afterward (@the Natural's post implies that it was the post-PPV Dynamite) but Coach Tony K promoted Hayter to full champion and retroactively made Toni's title reign for the full title, not the interim. YMMV on if you see it that way, but that's how AEW officially records it.

That's right, mate. Jamie Hayter beat Toni Storm for the AEW Women's World Championship at Full Gear 2022. On the post Full Gear Dynamite, it was announced Hayter was full champion and retroactively to Toni too.

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Just Adam Bay Bay

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6 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

That's not how interim titles work.

And Tony says that she was full champ so I don’t think it matters if it matches how UFC does it (which is what you’re referencing). Plus unlike the actual real combat sport you can’t unify the belts when the “real champion” still hasn’t returned from injury. So in theory stripping Rosa would make the interim champ the full champion. 

If say Jon Jones just doesn’t fight for three years again, and then retires whomever is the UFC interim heavyweight champion would be named UFC heavyweight champion. It’s not that hard to grasp why Khan made the right choice, and debating semantics feels like you’re just looking for reasons to be anti-Khan at this point.

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Elsalvajeloco

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4 hours ago, LF2 said:

And Tony says that she was full champ so I don’t think it matters if it matches how UFC does it (which is what you’re referencing). Plus unlike the actual real combat sport you can’t unify the belts when the “real champion” still hasn’t returned from injury. So in theory stripping Rosa would make the interim champ the full champion. 

If say Jon Jones just doesn’t fight for three years again, and then retires whomever is the UFC interim heavyweight champion would be named UFC heavyweight champion. It’s not that hard to grasp why Khan made the right choice, and debating semantics feels like you’re just looking for reasons to be anti-Khan at this point.

Not to entertain VileOne's horseshit, but titles in combat sports in general is whole nother can of worms. Boxing specifically is downright pathetic in that now you can have a champion in recess (think champion who retired, long extended hiatus, or moved to another weight class in search for another title), interim champion (the person who has been ranked by an alphabet org for years but won't ever face the real champion cause of promoter politics), regular champion (the #1 contender who has been #1 contender for years, already won a title eliminator, and already been declared a mandatory), and super champion (the person who legitimately can claim to be champion because they've been the most active and/or beat the best competition) all in one weight class. The first category only happened because the late German boxer Graciano Rocchigiani won a vacant title from the WBC (which was Roy Jones Jr.), got demoted somehow to interim champion cause WBC wanted to give Roy his title back so both can fight for the "real" title, and then the proposed bout fell apart causing the WBC to strip Rocchigiani of any recognition of being champion. So Rocchigiani sued the pants off of the WBC and won a $31 million lawsuit (the WBC didn't have $31 million so they only ended paying a fraction of it*). We've had like a dozen or so champions in recess in the 25 years since that happened. It's ridiculous. They've made having a real world champion and following the true lineage a complete chore just cause they won't do right by people. Moreover, they've allowed the politics of promoters not allowing the champions to fight fighters promoted by other people to break apart any semblance of logic. 

So the whole that's not how interim titles work is actually believing that interim titles in general aren't some inherent bullshit made up by whatever entity. Technically, that entity can make up whatever rules they want, define it how they want, and enforce it to fit their own made up guidelines. Boxing has been doing that for well over a century going back to when like Jack Johnson, Harry Wills, and the Black Triumvirate (Sam Langford, Sam McVey, and Joe Jeannette) were fighting for the colored heavyweight championship cause they won't allowed to face the real world champion at the time. The same goes years later for the Murderer's Row in the 1940s/early 1950s when you had a bunch of great black middleweights who weren't going to get a shot at the real champion. It's all arbitrary bullshit.

*I'm surprised that wrestling hasn't gone the sanctioning fee (a % of a fighter's purse for every title defense or attempt to win a title) route that boxing has especially considering folks might be a "mark" for the belt. That's how these shitty alphabet orgs are still around. If these dudes won't gullible enough to believe they need a meaningless trinket for legitimacy, they would be dead. Come on....make these guys put down a deposit like folks had to do for the NWA title.

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twiztor

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4 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

It's all arbitrary bullshit.

that sums up "championships" in pro wrestling quite well. 

that being said, i'm certainly a bit of a mark for title lineages, so i guess it's working.

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Listening to Al Getz’s podcast helped cure me of worry about title lineages, when you realize the chicanery that went on in the territory era.

things like changing a title in all the towns in the loops or even worse, changing it in some towns but not others at the same time.

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48 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

Listening to Al Getz’s helped cure me of worry about title lineages, when you realize the chicanery that went on in the territory era.

In between people showing up with titles out of thin air, changes that didn't actually happen, changes that did happen but got struck from the record for political reasons, the same change happening five nights in a row (thanks, Memphis!), champions leaving the territory while still champion and taking the belt with them so nobody could know they got beat for the belt as long as the office didn't have a copy of the belt handy...

... sorry, what were we talking about again? Oh. Right. Wrestling is silly.

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14 minutes ago, Sparkleface said:

In between people showing up with titles out of thin air, changes that didn't actually happen, changes that did happen but got struck from the record for political reasons, the same change happening five nights in a row (thanks, Memphis!), champions leaving the territory while still champion and taking the belt with them so nobody could know they got beat for the belt as long as the office didn't have a copy of the belt handy...

... sorry, what were we talking about again? Oh. Right. Wrestling is silly.

As Ron Funches says “ pro wrestling is a world where dispute is settled via body slam”

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Technico Support

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18 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

That's not how interim titles work.

 

12 hours ago, AxB said:

At this point?

It’s funny to me that two guys, whose whole schtick was “come into every AEW thread and do nothing but shit on AEW,” got Cash’d, and we still have posters who do just that.  To quote our master thespian Wesley Snipes, “some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.”

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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

 

It’s funny to me that two guys, whose whole schtick was “come into every AEW thread and do nothing but shit on AEW,” got Cash’d, and we still have posters who do just that.  To quote our master thespian Wesley Snipes, “some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.”

I don't know what that means. 

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John from Cincinnati

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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

 

It’s funny to me that two guys, whose whole schtick was “come into every AEW thread and do nothing but shit on AEW,” got Cash’d, and we still have posters who do just that.  To quote our master thespian Wesley Snipes, “some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.”

Wasn’t the offence that did ‘em in less of a “won’t stop shitting on AEW” and more of a “wouldn’t stop being a shithead and didn’t know when to walk away”? 

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