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You snap your fingers, you snap your neck.

Raise your hand if this is the first time you've heard of Step Stool Sarah. (Seriously, that ring name sounds like a weird BDSM fetish gimmick.)

I think calling someone a "good" or "bad" person based on some rumors you heard is enough reason to discount your entire post. You clearly aren't objectively rating commentators if you're talking about Graves fucking around on his ex-wife or whatever your problem is. And again: until everyone is ready to rake Edge, Benoit, and Noble over the coals for their bullying, no one really needs to spend any more time wagging their finger at JBL. The hate is absurdly overblown, and still has more to do with Eddy than anything else. WWE commentary is garbage, but it has nothing to do with the personal lives of the commentators.

This is the sugar hold. Bob Roop, Ron Fuller, Jack Brisco, and other shooters would use the hold on marks who wanted a tryout at the snake pit in Tampa during the 70s.

I'm holding you directly responsible

I decided to supplement my older son's current education by having him work on keyboarding and coding. He's 12 so keyboarding is a must now. And he wants to make video games one day so I got him a book on coding with Python. He started working on the Python book at the beginning of the quarantine. Today he just made Pong. I just played it. Crazy. Everything is awesome.

About current WWE announcing; last night I nearly threw my remote at my TV when they said "Lethal Lothario" 3 times in about 45 seconds. I have no idea if any of these people are any good (well, Graves was good in NXT and Lawler used to be hit or miss in the 90's) but it's impossible to give a good performance with the way WWE produces them.

If it's any consolation Benoit is being raked over the coals right as we speak (literally).

My favorite announce team is Lance Russell and Dave Brown. As far as worst, nobody comes close to Bill Mercer.

"Lethal Lothario" should've been a Jay Lethal/Jose Lothario pairing. There's no other excuse for that phrase.

OK fine. Corey Graves, whatever you feel about him personally, is a terrible commentator because he constantly strives to put himself over, at the expense of the match he is calling.

Someone should do a Braden-Walker-style best of DVD cover art for Cain Velasquez.

Why would anyone send him that? Does he even watch Stardom or know what it is? I see people post a comment like this here on occasion and can't help but wonder if they are trying to pull some reverse psychology shit and get people here to send this stuff to Cornette. The move is called the Mana Bauer, and it was more Utami who he was teaching it to. She is the group's power wrestler, and I think has done it once or twice before. She uses the torture rack quite often and occasionally turns it into a powerbomb. Surprisingly that is the only gif I can find of it.

It will always be Monsoon/Heenan but Monsoon/Ventura was up there as well. I'll always remember watching the first Survivor Series and Hulk cleaning house at the end and Ventura going on this rant about Cleveland and how they were all losers cheering a loser and my dad and grandpa are completely laughing their asses off. With Heenan in WCW people seem to forget that he really went downhill when he know the company was going down the toilet. One thing I wish they had done was after Hogan turned have Heenan cut a promo on how he always saw through Hogan and that he always knew the guy was a fraud.

Gorilla was always good, but it's likely the reason people thought he was terrible was that he was SUCH a good straightman at what he did. Once you're old enough to watch real sports and not just be enamored of the game, you realize that Gorilla Monsoon had a gimmick the whole time- he was the announcer for your home team's locally-televised games. That's basically the whole schtick Gorilla Monsoon had. Just like the home team's announcer- the home team has never committed a foul, even when they're intentionally fouling to get the ball back. The lowest man on your team's bench could drop a safe on the head of the opposing team's star and the home announcer would say it was overstated by the referee and proof the guy was on the take from the other team. Same schtick from Monsoon- whether it was Hulk Hogan or a random jobber in white boots, the guy could punch a child on the way to the ring and Gorilla would say "Eh, the kid had it coming to him." That made Gorilla far better than he gets credit for...because when you combine Gorilla being the homer announcer and being so good at selling his color men with Hulk Hogan's in-ring style being best described as "he's a classic heel wrestler who does his heel schtick to bad guys", that meant that Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura could tee off on Gorilla's claims and make Gorilla seem stupid for how much of a homer he was and how much he was letting the faces get away with. It worked with Heenan (because he was never supposed to be taken seriously and you knew Heenan was a homer for the bad guys), but with Ventura it never clicked as well because it was tempered with enough realism that even the most starry-eyed kid who thought it was all real would sometimes realize "wait a second...Ventura has a point there...". As far as whether Pettingill was just the real Vince's humor...I don't buy it. Todd Pettingill wasn't stupid Vince humor, he was a morning zoo guy brought into pro wrestling, and invariably his sense of humor would have fallen to...well, a morning zoo DJ. That doesn't seem like Vince's style- if Vince was doing DJ work, I'd assume he'd be the town's guy who is trying to be a shock jock, but failing miserably at the role and ends up "It's not good. It's not funny. It's not even that shocking. It's just...stupid."

The Shadow is the best gimmick poster in a long time.

One of the grocery stores near me (Giant) has arrows on the floor (maybe 1.5' x 1') to denote that aisles are one-way only, to at least keep people from crossing each other. Every time I go there, some dumb fucks are going the wrong way. Store staff has taken to making BIGGER arrows, the actual width of the aisle x 3 or 4 feet, with painter's tape. We're a nation of bleach drinkers and arrow non-followers.

I actually liked the contract signing because MacIntyre got to play the rare face-who-doesn't-stand-around-waiting-to-get-attacked role and actually instigated the violence and still stood tall after the 2 on 1. Mahal looks better with the shorter hair, more of a killer. MVP being ALL over WWE programming lately is weird. He hosted the VIP Lounge (also a big LOL at the VIP lounge having futons!), showed up again to antagonize Cedric-Richocet with the new team he's (Possibly?) managing. Heck, he was doing colour commentary on last week's Main Event that immediately preceded it on Sportsnet last night! Zelina is the best. During that 6 man, a couple of the wrestlers were decidedly just standing around waiting to be tagged: no emotion, no character show. At the same time, Vega is walking around the ring: she's talking trash, she's getting on the ref, she's reacting favourably to moves her charges hit, she's upset when they get hit with moves in return. Sometimes Aleister Black is just a guy standing on the apron, waiting for his turn to get in the ring, at which point he turns on the Aleister Black switch and plays the character perfectly, then he tags out and goes back to a guy waiting for his turn to perform. From the point she walks through the curtain, there is no moment when Zelina Vega is not Zelina Vega.

Moving on to the other video, it starts with Jose Tarres vs Karl Von Chenok, a huge guy with an iron forehead vs a devious master of the nervehold. The huge guy has a headlock suplex: And spends the whole match basically trying to do this: Chenok's nervehold is pretty dangerous but Tarres has such a reach advantage and isn't afraid to use it on the poor guy's ears.

The other day we were watching Fast Five because my daughter wanted to watch a fun action movie (she liked it a lot) and at the beginning of the movie they're showing all of these news clips about Dom. And near the end of those clips...there's Perd Hapley and I got all excited to see Perd and for the Parks and Rec reunion. I also love that the guy who plays Perd is always playing a news guy. Are you there Perd-verts? It's me, Perd!

The Buffalo Bills had a handsome and popular running back who rushed for 2000 yards in one season and started in national TV commercials. Maybe he could have been a celebrity guest wrestler in the '70s!

I have a soft spot for Leonard F. Chikarason & Mike Quackenbush as a team. *shrug*

Triple H must be from there, amirite?

This thread has reminded me how shitty Ted DiBiase’s Mania booking was post-WM4. He wrestled on 5 through 9, and EVERY one of those matches ended in some form of countout or DQ. Like clockwork, every year: Death, taxes, and a bullshit Million Dollar Man finish at Mania.

AEW has sold me on the idea that Tony Schiovane is at least in contention for the best announcer of all time, but has me convinced that he's definitely the most versatile. Just as good as being a moves play by play type guy as he is being able to sell the storylines and the drama. All of his terrible stuff with late WCW - no-one else would have done better in that position, and seems to get it as a black mark against his name, whereas people praise Heenan for being less interested. He's been an integral part of some great teams and partnerships, and in 2020, he doesn't feel anywhere near as dated as Jim Ross, despite starting around the same time. He's done the territories era, the rock n wrestling era, the attitude era, and the present, and he doesn't stand out awkwardly amongst any of them. I relate to his current stuff as just guy genuinely interested in the sport and having a good time, and it stands out really well in an era of guys being force fed lines on the headset to say this or that.

You know who's good at commentary? Both Jeff @Gorman and @DylanWaco Hales are really good. Can we all agree that announcers who don't get on IRL are usually bad, whereas announcers who are legit friends but have a 'wind each other up' commentary gimmick are good? But when you take it further and they're actually having a commentary feud, that's just the worst?

He also knew the names of the wrestlers signature offense, and put over faces & heels without a fuss. I like Ventura, and Heenan more, but somebody consistent like Crockett can pay off a lot more in ways.

Boy is that an understatement. I like the guy in that Cain clip that looks like either a Goomba from Mario the movie or Pinhead from Puppet Master. Also, I had a dream about working for Bill Watts as a school janitor last night. He kept making me do more and more stuff so I cussed him out and quit. I guess I managed to escape before he beat my ass.

I agree with Schiavone and Ventura being underrated. They were really good together. Tony’s WWF run wasn’t bad short lived but not bad. I’ve been watching Saturday Night on The Network lately well WCW 92 as a whole and I gotta say Ventura and Ross were a good team too. JR and Heyman in 01 is very overlooked too. I think the best pairing based on The 92 Rumble Match alone is Gorilla and Brain. My personal fav’s from growing up watching SmackDown world be Michael Cole and Tazz. I would put Cole and JBL up there too. My guilty pleasure is Mike Tenay and Don West. The Worse is what ever is on Raw. WWE commentary has been awful for a decade at least. That 3 man team from Raw in the Fall of 05 within Joey King and Coach was really bad. As for AEW The 3 Dynamites with just Jim and Excalibur I thought Jim was in top form without Tony. Jim does batter with one other person. Tony can commentate with anyone. Excalibur too. Taz fits in better with as the third mic on Dynamite then JR does.

Shawn probably puts the kibosh on it.

Rewatching Matt Taven vs. Tracy Williams, has there ever been a worse announcing team than Ian Riccaboni, Colt Cabana, and Jay Lethal? Lethal and Cabana desperately trying to talk over each other, and Riccaboni with his forced "bombastic" announcing. And Jay does not have a future in announcing ahead of him when he finally retires. Honestly, I would rather listen to Bruce Prichard, Mike McGuirk, and Pete Doherty call a match than these three.

MLB has never had an all-star weekend. The game is played in the middle of the week every season.

"Goldbelt" Brian Maxine vs. Mark "Rollerball" Rocco (Middleweight Bout) You sure as hell were right about the rules being "a little more fluid" in All Star! The round system, yellow cards, you won't see any of that from WoS here (besides one public warning which was basically nothing). Rocco jumps Maxine and it doesn't stop from there the entire time. Both guys just hammer each other, Rocco getting dirty and doing stuff like biting and trying to detach the turnbuckle pads while Maxine as the blue-eye did a bit more fluid and snug wrestling while at the same time just trading off with Rocco. They don't let up and the ref seems fine with it. At one point the announcers even say something I believe about him getting heat and having to go to Canada so I think he might be somewhat of a heel ref, but as it is he just treats everything as no-DQ. Halfway through after a crappy no-sell of a Tombstone they go outside and just start waffling each other with road cones! I've always wanted to see that. They use the fire extinguisher as a weapon and a chair and we even get a no-sell of a lowblow before they're finally corralled again. It finally ends with Rocco just plastering Maxine in the junk forehead first as he tries a go-over so the ref counts Maxine down. Ref liked to count a lot too, if you went to a knee you were getting counted and fast, and they did a lot of really nice struggles for pins for him too. Loved the commentary here too with all three guys knocking off one-liners for bits like saying Rocco hadn't had anything to eat before he got to the ring after trying to take a chunk out of Maxine's calf. These guys probably had a hell of a feud over there. Also have to add, I have seen a little of Rocco in New Japan and I think a match or two on a Schneider Comp but he didn't impress much there, here he looks like a beast with the '80s mustache and larger size. This looks like a real neat channel and for sure I'll get around to "Ironfist" Clive Myers (how cool is THAT name?!) and Liger.

Why can't both be true: I think his takes on modern wrestling are usually badly out of touch but still think he is brilliant and as knowledgeable about wrestling and it's history as anyone you can name. A weird example of how his ideas of logic in wrestling influenced how I think: at one of the Tournament of Death shows years back they had people setting up all this incredibly dangerous stuff with no gloves or protection whatsoever and even worse the referee had no sort of protection (don't think he was even wearing gloves) I turned to a friend and wondered why they didn't have everyone in protective gear (like you would see in FMW with the referee wearing a hazmat suit) to sell just how dangerous the match was and he replied "You gave this thing way more thought than they did".

Did they really pull a Hogan in WCW and really bring Cain in just so Brock could avenge a loss from UFC?

Swinging torture rack into a German is fucking awesome. Don’t turn this into “Show Cornette this” because who gives a shit what he thinks looks cool? Also nobody understands the beauty of Nakanishi’s Argentinian backbreaker. He bends them so much that their bodies crumble on his shoulders. Putting them into a German to secure a guaranteed win is the cherry on top. Also I got to find that match in the gif. That’s Norton being held back down there. Norton Vs. Nakanishi with all his new fancy moves is a match I want to see.

I guess I'm okay with Liv's win, but you'd think they'd have let Ruby steal one to force a rubber match. You could still protect Liv's push by having her win a war of attrition following a screwjob loss. At least that showcases her grit and preps her for tougher competition while also keeping Ruby from looking like a scrub. What can Liv really do with back-to-back wins over Ruby Riott? Challenge Shayna and get choked out in five minutes or get mauled by Nia Jax? Liv's will only place her in JTTS status if there is no will to put her over tougher competition. She'll be on the same tier as Ruby and no closer to a title than she was when this push started. Is there an animated gif of Ruby's "What Do I Have To Do To Kill This Chick?" expression? It was pretty awesome but not quite on the level of Arn Anderson; the true master of the Are You Sure That Wasn't Three? facial sell.

Oh hell yeah this is a great choice for me right now. I assume that almost everyone on these boards has seen Beyond the Mat and is familiar with the context of this match from that documentary. I've also been re-reading a bunch of my favourite wrestling books to kill time during the crisis, and both Bret and Terry talk about this match in their books. Funk goes into more detail but there were three interesting tidbits from Bret's book that made the match even more interesting for me: 1) Bret was ill with the flu and working a busy schedule, and 2) this was their first time ever working together, both of which I think help explain the deliberate pacing of this match and 3) Dennis Stamp was Bret's first opponent when he worked in Amarillo as a young boy, which adds even more emotion to the story of Stamp working as the ref here (he does a fine job). This was a Terry Funk retirement match, and there are too many possible jokes here so I will just let you choose your own. In his book, Funk says that the match was in fact billed as his last match in Amarillo, not as his last match ever. What is most interesting to me, on watching the whole match separate from the documentary, is how much this is worked like Bret is the touring champion, putting over the local hero while scraping out a win. As I said, the match is worked at a pretty loose pace, but I think that works really well with the structure they are using here: After some really lovely chain wrestling (they were very clearly doing the dance), Bret pretty much dominates the wrestling portion of this match. He works over Funk's leg in a wide variety of ways, while needlessly throwing in cheap shots to Funk's eyes and throat (taking advantage of the no-DQ stip... but also doing most of it when Stamp isn't looking). Then, when the crowd is nice and riled up Terry starts firing back while on his knees and even, at one point, flat on his ass. When the brawling goes outside, Funk finally takes the advantage. Funk slips on a banana peel during the big (and arguably unnecessary) table spot and that leads into a hot finishing section where both men get near-falls off of reversing the other's finishing hold. The actual finish is perfectly appropriate for the "touring champ" type of match that they were working here. I guess I could have done without Bruce Hart trying to draw so much attention to himself, but it was neat seeing Stu in Bret's corner. In fact, even more than the in-ring action, what I love about this is that it is two of my absolute favourite pro wrestlers of all time showing a deep and abiding respect for each other. whether it was Bret selling his fear of the spinning toe hold or Terry doing the honours, this came across as representatives of two of the great wrestling families showing their mutual esteem. It felt good to watch this.

In his book, Flair says that he and Perfect had to go to Savage's house to practice the match. He says that because of that he doesn't consider Savage to be a great worker, although he respects him.

I don’t want to quote box such a long post, so I’ll just agree that was an all-time bad Booker T take by @SorceressKnight. Just woefully off base in nearly every way

Coming to CBS this fall "Rick and the Fatman."

1. Listen to Donald Trump 2. Vote for Donald Trump 3. Listen to Donald Trump 4. Shoot Lysol and drink bleach Oddly, I have no problem with folks doing this. I believe the principle is called "Darwinism".

everything about this picture demands to be the promo poster for a buddy cop movie

3 I had the WM VCR game. Usually, I would just watch the match clips rather than playing the game. The heart tattoo on Ax's arm? I'd like to think a kinky ring rat also into BDSM drew that on his arm.