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1 hour ago, Lawful Metal said:

wait so I had to watch falcon and winter soldier show to know who that was on the post-credits scene?  I haven't watched any of the Disney shows.  Do I have to watch them in order (wanda / falcon / loki) to understand? 

I want more Antman

In the long run, you’re going to need the Disney shows. 100%. In the short term, just be surprised like we were when she showed up in the show. Same effect.

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On 7/14/2021 at 3:16 PM, Log said:

I think, at this point, if you're interested in following the MCU at all, you should probably watch everything.

It's more connected than it ever was, but you still have the odd show floating around out there that's not connected to the MCU, like MODOK. But yeah, going forward, I'd just get a D+ sub and watch all the shows they release plus the movies. If you watch the next Captain Marvel movie, and not Ms. Marvel (and WandaVision to a certain extent) you'll be lost as to who these two other co-stars are. Monica was introduced in the first CM movie, but she was a child, and now she's a fully grown adult since it's 30 some odd years later or so. Kamala Khan hasn't even been teased at all, so her show is the first one on D+ to be centered around a completely brand new character.

God forbid they actually do a Young Avengers theatrical movie, and someone hasn't seen the D+ shows... those people will be absolutely lost. It's going to get harder to follow the MCU if you don't watch everything, but Marvel will likely give moviegoers a small refresher course in who these seemingly new characters are during said movies.

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Not sure completism has ever been necessary with Marvel. Plenty of people saw and loved Avengers without taking in all of the previous films. I saw Endgame with people who hadn't bothered with Ant-Man & the Wasp or Captain Marvel and they managed. Most of this stuff isn't difficult to pick up on or infer, and any minor questions can always be answered, while the completionists always have stuff that's there for them to pick up on without the wider audience feeling lost. 

Considering how much hand-holding and recapping Marvel did in the Loki pilot, I have no expectation that they'll ever leave non-completionist audiences out in the cold. They're never going to leave anyone lost on anything of importance. 

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Thought it was mostly good. Yelena and Alexei def the besr parts. 
 

disappointed we dud not get to see the Soviet Super Soldiers, apart from a non powered up Ursa Major and a ref to the Crimson Dynamo.  

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watched this in the theater last night. excellent movie, i loved it a lot. The only D+ show i watched was Falcon & Winter Soldier because i knew it had the possibility to tie in with this film. Will watch WandaVision and Loki sometime before Spider-Man 3/Dr. Strange 2 come out.

Yelena ruled. I look forward to where her character goes. Florence Pugh did awesome. She looked familiar, but i haven't seen anything she's been in, so i dunno.  Alexei was also king sized. For a superhero that didn't really have anything to do with this movie, he excelled and made you interested.

i can see the criticisms about Taskmaster (i think the comic version is an excellent character) but the movie reveal was well done and i don't have a problem with it. I love the idea that she's not the only one.

Re: Madame Hydra in the post-credits scene, i loved it. She is amassing quite a team. Not-Captain America and now Not-Black Widow? this is gonna rule. 

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Are they doing Dark Avengers? Are we getting Ares soon?

Although, they've already done Iron Patriot and I don't see Rhodey turning heel. Or showing up again any time soon, for that matter. Plus he had all the USA stuff taken off the armour anyway... unless Iron Patriot is introduced with his helmet on, and we only find out it's not Rhodey in the suit later. Who knows?

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1 hour ago, AxB said:

Are they doing Dark Avengers? Are we getting Ares soon?

Although, they've already done Iron Patriot and I don't see Rhodey turning heel. Or showing up again any time soon, for that matter. Plus he had all the USA stuff taken off the armour anyway... unless Iron Patriot is introduced with his helmet on, and we only find out it's not Rhodey in the suit later. Who knows?

I feel like if you’re not going to just use Osborn, then Ghost should be the Iron Man character.

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Was it just my TV or were all the Widows ScarJo fought Black or of Asian descent?  There was the one white woman holding her while the WOC kept punching/kicking her, but I think that was it.

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Yeah I'm pretty sure all of the Widows were racially diverse. It's become a meme on YouTube and Reddit among people who blast the film, because, well, I think we all know why they choose to make fun of that bit in particular.

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