Craig H Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Also, let's look at how, yet again, another can't miss person was fucking ruined coming up to the main roster. Keith Lee is immediately over on the main roster after his Royal Rumble and Survivor Series appearances. The Survivor Series appearance is more notable since they actually pushed the guy and made him seem like a big deal. Then he just fucking disappears off the main roster. He comes back and doesn't really get a chance to talk, but gets some cool moments with Braun and shit like that. And then they change his entrance music to some fucking garbage. And then they change his ring gear because to Vince or Kevin Dunn or someone, he's fat. He proceeds to do nothing except winning by DQ or fuck finishes because WWE can't be bothered to heavily push more than 2 guys at one time. By this point, it's hard to believe they'll do anything with Keith Lee. He gets hurt or sick and is just gone from TV. You could build a whole other promotion out of the amount of can't miss guys WWE has fucked around and done nothing with. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Skimming through some Raw results, it looks like he was on a decent little push before he vanished. A couple wins against Sheamus, a win against Riddle, a competitive title match against McIntyre. Him disappearing completely after getting hurt or sick and people reflexively chalking that up to "Vince bad" as a default position is certainly in keeping with the thought virus that makes him the cause of all wrong in the universe. Not even saying anyone's wrong, but it's interesting what sort of things people do and don't find it acceptable to go off on without evidence. Hope Lee is healthy and back in the mix soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Rumor is Lee was going to win the US Title at Elimination Chamber (which Riddle eventually won) before testing positive for Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, Craig H said: Keith Lee is immediately over on the main roster after his Royal Rumble and Survivor Series appearances. The Survivor Series appearance is more notable since they actually pushed the guy and made him seem like a big deal. Then he just fucking disappears off the main roster. He wasn't on the main roster back then. He was still NXT. They actually fucked up when they put him on the main roster since they screwed him out of a long NXT champ run. 51 minutes ago, Craig H said: And then they change his entrance music to some fucking garbage. This was apparently a money dispute with whatever company technically owned the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Zimbra said: German Suplex was because of Hackenschmidt Gotch, right? e: wrong guy I have also heard it attributed to Olympic gold medalist Wilfried Dietrich (who also did a couple of pro wrestling matches), though his most famous suplex was a belly-to-belly one (at the 72 Olympics), so Karl (not Frank) Gotch probably is the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Alexa Bliss Playground segment tonight with the new Womens Tag Champs. Lot of rewriting going on for the show too. Also The Saudi Arabian Ministry of Sports Twitter posted that they are returning to sporting events with fans, so expect maybe Saudi Mania shows coming back this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnatural Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Didn't they send Keith Lee back to the PC with some "big guys" to learn how to work like big guys? It was him, maybe heavy machinery? Shoot i can't remember who reported it, if it was clickbait shites or legit reports? But someone had shared a tweet naming some guys unless I'm Mandela effecting some memories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 No, that happened. They think that's how he caught Covid. And yes, it makes no sense that you'd take a guy who's USP is that he's a big guy who can move like a small guy, and make him into just a big guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 The list of big guys sent back to the PC was/is Keith Lee Otis Mace (Dio Maddin) Dabba-Kato (General something or other) Omos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, RIPPA said: The list of big guys sent back to the PC was/is Keith Lee Otis Mace (Dio Maddin) Dabba-Kato (General something or other) Omos I thought it was only four people. I don't recall Babatunde/Dabbo-Kato being mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Meltzer mentioned it, I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Casey said: Meltzer mentioned it, I believe. Correct as that is where I pulled the list from 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) "Hire a big guy who can fly and then train him to work like Diesel instead" is so on brand with WWE. "Hire a portly fellow and then get upset when he shows up portly and do what you can to cover up his portliness" is likewise on brand. Shit, just cut out the middleman, avoid all the cost of fabric and retraining time, go back to hiring 6'2" 245lb dudes out of the International Male catalog and training them to "work." Edited May 18, 2021 by Technico Support 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Last night we were randomly discussing body guys in Smoky Mountain and how there weren't many. But it got me thinking, if Chris Candido had been born 20 years later, so he was 28 now, what would his career have looked like? Would he be considered a Hoss in NXT or AEW, under current standards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, AxB said: Last night we were randomly discussing body guys in Smoky Mountain and how there weren't many. But it got me thinking, if Chris Candido had been born 20 years later, so he was 28 now, what would his career have looked like? Would he be considered a Hoss in NXT or AEW, under current standards? All things being equal, a Candido in his late teens/early 20s trying to break into wrestling around 2010ish wouldn’t be under the same pressure to get artificially jacked up to make up for his short stature. So I don’t think he’d be a 5’8” roided up bulldozer in AEW or NXT. More likely, he’d have a more athletic build and be this era’s Bryan Danielson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I wonder how much Brock botching the shooting star press at 'Mania killed the chances of having any highspotty big guys in the WWE. Seems like the kind of thing Vince would hold onto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Technico Support said: "Hire a big guy who can fly and then train him to work like Diesel instead" is so on brand with WWE. "Hire a portly fellow and then get upset when he shows up portly and do what you can to cover up his portliness" is likewise on brand. Shit, just cut out the middleman, avoid all the cost of fabric and retraining time, go back to hiring 6'2" 245lb dudes out of the International Male catalog and training them to "work." I mean, they did put Johnny Ace back in that hiring role again so you're probably not far off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Craig H said: I mean, they did put Johnny Ace back in that hiring role again so you're probably not far off. We're gonna party like it's 2005! Male and female underwear catalogs as far as the eye can see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Technico Support said: We're gonna party like it's 2005! Male and female underwear catalogs as far as the eye can see! A whole roster of Jindraks and Chris Masters. Cool. Neat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, Zimbra said: I wonder how much Brock botching the shooting star press at 'Mania killed the chances of having any highspotty big guys in the WWE. Seems like the kind of thing Vince would hold onto. I would say Lee nearly killing himself a few times probably had more to do with style changes they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 In the long run, it will lengthen his career. At his age, I can't see his knees hold up working that style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Asking dudes to make adjustments being seen as a sin against wrestling is the weirdest shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Bones Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I recall the impact of Lee taking the German suplex during the Rumble right on the neck. I can’t imagine that going over well upon review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Candido always had a rep as a great worker so what are some really good matches of his? The most I ever saw of him was the Bodydonnas, and nobody talks about that shit ever (probably for a reason, that was up there with the Dynamic Dudes as far as gimmicks go). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 A good bit of his SMW is worth watching, in ring and promos. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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