Lackluster Debuts

[Adam]

Then for the last 3 years of WCW, whos nightmares were we watching?

[JRV]

 

Chris Harris in NXT/WWE/ECW.

I can't remember his name, or which show it was on, but he was so fat, lazy and pathetic that that single match ended his career.

From part of the hottest tag team in 5+ years to unemployment, based on that debut match.

 

Braden Walker.

 

 

I mean, the look kind of works for me, as a kind of even dumber looking Mike Awesome.

 

may he rest in peace don't ban me pls

[kafkonia]

Then for the last 3 years of WCW, whos nightmares were we watching?

Sting's.

 

And the poor man still hasn't woken up.

[Adam]

Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him..

[kafkonia]

Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him..

Speaking of lacklustre debuts. All I remember is him calling out "Bam Bam Baggalow."

[supremebve]

Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut?  He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after.  If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered.

[cool arrow]

Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut?  He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after.  If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered.

 

Good call.

[Web Conn]

 

Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him..

Speaking of lacklustre debuts. All I remember is him calling out "Bam Bam Baggalow."

 

[Ziggy]

 

 

Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him..

Speaking of lacklustre debuts. All I remember is him calling out "Bam Bam Baggalow."

 

 

Raven basically booked ECW guy in WCW.

[Ryan]

Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut?  He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after.  If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered.

Getting beaten up by Shane Helms and a frozen water bottle probably didn't help him.

[JonnyLaw]

Maybe it was done on purpose but MVP debut match being on a PPV against Marty Garner (Cham Pain) was severly lackluster to the point it took the heel announcer JBL a couple months to stop making fun of him.

MVP was definitely deliberate.

The best part was how JBL only changed his mind on MVP after he took him out for a fancy dinner.

[twiztor]

Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut?  He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after.  If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered.

 

"worst Raw main event of all time"? that's some superb hyperbole there. It wasn't a great match or anything, but it was perfectly serviceable.

 

after a quick rewatch, face Booker T gets pretty much no reaction at all, no matter what he does. heel Bagwell at least gets some boos when he does heelish stuff. i think the biggest problem is that WWF had put so much time in saying WCW was inferior, then they give the main event spot to a face who had recently attacked Steve Austin and a debuting Buff Bagwell. there was no audience connection.

 

[TerjeRUN]

RVD's TNA debut had to be the worst handles piece of shit ever. In many ways, that 10 minute segment sums up TNA perfectly. 

[DreamBroken]

Rewatching that made me wish Buff got to stick around for awhile in WWE

[supremebve]

 

Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut?  He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after.  If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered.

 

"worst Raw main event of all time"? that's some superb hyperbole there. It wasn't a great match or anything, but it was perfectly serviceable.

 

after a quick rewatch, face Booker T gets pretty much no reaction at all, no matter what he does. heel Bagwell at least gets some boos when he does heelish stuff. i think the biggest problem is that WWF had put so much time in saying WCW was inferior, then they give the main event spot to a face who had recently attacked Steve Austin and a debuting Buff Bagwell. there was no audience connection.

 

 

I don't know if there has ever been a wrestling moment that I remember that differently from reality.  I remember watching it live and thinking it was the worst thing I had ever watched and that match being a huge contributing factor in the invasion not working.  I just watched an average wrestling match that probably is on par with half of the stuff on Raw these days.  It's funny how time can play tricks I guess.

[Territorial]

To be fair, the quality of "half the stuff on Raw these days has dropped considerably.

[Joe Fixit]

No it hasn't.

[twiztor]

 

I don't know if there has ever been a wrestling moment that I remember that differently from reality.  I remember watching it live and thinking it was the worst thing I had ever watched and that match being a huge contributing factor in the invasion not working.  I just watched an average wrestling match that probably is on par with half of the stuff on Raw these days.  It's funny how time can play tricks I guess.

 

 

yeah, i didn't really mean that as a personal attack on you or anything, i just hate that that match in particular gets built up as just an absolute stinker, and gets blamed for Bagwell being out of a job and the invasion as a whole failing.

[TerjeRUN]

I have good memories of watching that match. If anything ruined it, it was the commentary team dammit! 

[Brian Fowler]

To be fair, the quality of "half the stuff on Raw these days has dropped considerably.

If we're are talking strictly about match quality, I would argue that RAW has never been better than the last couple of years. Now, booking and being 3 fucking hours long...

[Web Conn]

RVD's TNA debut had to be the worst handles piece of shit ever. In many ways, that 10 minute segment sums up TNA perfectly. 

[ivpvideos]

Doing Bagwell vs. Booker in Tacoma, WA was a king sized mistake. Pretty sure they were in the south the following week.

[Jerry Hattrick]

I have good memories of watching that match. If anything ruined it, it was the commentary team dammit!

Speaking of which. If it was possible, how would anyone feel about WCW's commentary team doing their own invasion and calling their matches?

[MORELOCK]

I have good memories of watching that match. If anything ruined it, it was the commentary team dammit!

Speaking of which. If it was possible, how would anyone feel about WCW's commentary team doing their own invasion and calling their matches?

They did, Hudson and Arn called a match and did not do well.

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

WCW did a shit job with Bret Hart but short of debuting him in Canada, I'm not sure how they could've brought him in with any impact.  Yeah, they could've hyped him up as the real WWF Champion but he just seemed like such a broken man when WCW got him.  I saw him at the Georgia Dome and he got a tepid response and then Flair came out and blew the roof off the place and then ate his lunch on the mic.  WCW and WWF just had different audiences.

 

It's easy.  Have him cut a shoot promo on McMahon and Michaels, claim to be the rightful holder of the WWF title, then get confronted by Hall/Nash.  IIRC Bret, who had creative control, nixed doing that as he just wanted to move on from Montreal.  But that's where the money was with Bret's debut, and everyone knew about The Kliq at that point.  He beats Hall in his first match.  Then he goes through Nash.  Then he challenges Hogan to the match he never got in the WWF, with the winner becoming #1 contender for Sting's title.  Of course this is also predicated on guys willing to work with Bret and put him over, which I'm sure Nash and Hogan weren't willing to do.