Adam Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Then for the last 3 years of WCW, whos nightmares were we watching? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRV Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Chris Harris in NXT/WWE/ECW. I can't remember his name, or which show it was on, but he was so fat, lazy and pathetic that that single match ended his career. From part of the hottest tag team in 5+ years to unemployment, based on that debut match. Braden Walker. I mean, the look kind of works for me, as a kind of even dumber looking Mike Awesome. may he rest in peace don't ban me pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Then for the last 3 years of WCW, whos nightmares were we watching? Sting's. And the poor man still hasn't woken up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him.. Speaking of lacklustre debuts. All I remember is him calling out "Bam Bam Baggalow." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut? He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after. If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut? He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after. If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered. Good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him.. Speaking of lacklustre debuts. All I remember is him calling out "Bam Bam Baggalow." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Hardcore Hak obviously never turned on him.. Speaking of lacklustre debuts. All I remember is him calling out "Bam Bam Baggalow." Raven basically booked ECW guy in WCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut? He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after. If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered. Getting beaten up by Shane Helms and a frozen water bottle probably didn't help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Maybe it was done on purpose but MVP debut match being on a PPV against Marty Garner (Cham Pain) was severly lackluster to the point it took the heel announcer JBL a couple months to stop making fun of him. MVP was definitely deliberate.The best part was how JBL only changed his mind on MVP after he took him out for a fancy dinner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut? He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after. If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered. "worst Raw main event of all time"? that's some superb hyperbole there. It wasn't a great match or anything, but it was perfectly serviceable. after a quick rewatch, face Booker T gets pretty much no reaction at all, no matter what he does. heel Bagwell at least gets some boos when he does heelish stuff. i think the biggest problem is that WWF had put so much time in saying WCW was inferior, then they give the main event spot to a face who had recently attacked Steve Austin and a debuting Buff Bagwell. there was no audience connection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerjeRUN Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 RVD's TNA debut had to be the worst handles piece of shit ever. In many ways, that 10 minute segment sums up TNA perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Rewatching that made me wish Buff got to stick around for awhile in WWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Has anyone mentioned the Buff Bagwell WWE debut? He was in what very well be the worst Raw main event of all time and was fired immediately after. If that isn't a lackluster debut, I don't know what else could even be considered. "worst Raw main event of all time"? that's some superb hyperbole there. It wasn't a great match or anything, but it was perfectly serviceable. after a quick rewatch, face Booker T gets pretty much no reaction at all, no matter what he does. heel Bagwell at least gets some boos when he does heelish stuff. i think the biggest problem is that WWF had put so much time in saying WCW was inferior, then they give the main event spot to a face who had recently attacked Steve Austin and a debuting Buff Bagwell. there was no audience connection. I don't know if there has ever been a wrestling moment that I remember that differently from reality. I remember watching it live and thinking it was the worst thing I had ever watched and that match being a huge contributing factor in the invasion not working. I just watched an average wrestling match that probably is on par with half of the stuff on Raw these days. It's funny how time can play tricks I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 To be fair, the quality of "half the stuff on Raw these days has dropped considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fixit Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 No it hasn't. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I don't know if there has ever been a wrestling moment that I remember that differently from reality. I remember watching it live and thinking it was the worst thing I had ever watched and that match being a huge contributing factor in the invasion not working. I just watched an average wrestling match that probably is on par with half of the stuff on Raw these days. It's funny how time can play tricks I guess. yeah, i didn't really mean that as a personal attack on you or anything, i just hate that that match in particular gets built up as just an absolute stinker, and gets blamed for Bagwell being out of a job and the invasion as a whole failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerjeRUN Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I have good memories of watching that match. If anything ruined it, it was the commentary team dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 To be fair, the quality of "half the stuff on Raw these days has dropped considerably.If we're are talking strictly about match quality, I would argue that RAW has never been better than the last couple of years. Now, booking and being 3 fucking hours long... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted October 5, 2013 Author Share Posted October 5, 2013 RVD's TNA debut had to be the worst handles piece of shit ever. In many ways, that 10 minute segment sums up TNA perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivpvideos Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Doing Bagwell vs. Booker in Tacoma, WA was a king sized mistake. Pretty sure they were in the south the following week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Hattrick Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I have good memories of watching that match. If anything ruined it, it was the commentary team dammit!Speaking of which. If it was possible, how would anyone feel about WCW's commentary team doing their own invasion and calling their matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I have good memories of watching that match. If anything ruined it, it was the commentary team dammit!Speaking of which. If it was possible, how would anyone feel about WCW's commentary team doing their own invasion and calling their matches?They did, Hudson and Arn called a match and did not do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExcellenceofAirPollution Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 WCW did a shit job with Bret Hart but short of debuting him in Canada, I'm not sure how they could've brought him in with any impact. Yeah, they could've hyped him up as the real WWF Champion but he just seemed like such a broken man when WCW got him. I saw him at the Georgia Dome and he got a tepid response and then Flair came out and blew the roof off the place and then ate his lunch on the mic. WCW and WWF just had different audiences. It's easy. Have him cut a shoot promo on McMahon and Michaels, claim to be the rightful holder of the WWF title, then get confronted by Hall/Nash. IIRC Bret, who had creative control, nixed doing that as he just wanted to move on from Montreal. But that's where the money was with Bret's debut, and everyone knew about The Kliq at that point. He beats Hall in his first match. Then he goes through Nash. Then he challenges Hogan to the match he never got in the WWF, with the winner becoming #1 contender for Sting's title. Of course this is also predicated on guys willing to work with Bret and put him over, which I'm sure Nash and Hogan weren't willing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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