The Nature Boy Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 On 4/14/2016 at 0:51 PM, Technico Support said: I'm of the opinion the NWO wouldn't have been nearly as big or mainstream if Hogan hadn't been there. But at the end of the day, it bankrupted the company, so was it worth it? I always laugh when Hogan or Bischoff call attention to the fact that Sting didn't show up in shape that night as if that was some sort of contributing factor to how flat and awful the whole thing was. Like they would have changed their shit booking if Sting showed up looking like Luger. I've always thought that the whole "Sting didn't show up in shape" thing was a load of BS. The guy spent the last year and a half hanging out in the rafters, being a loner and only dropping in to attack the nWo. It's not like he had time to hit up the tanning bed and Gold's Gym. Sting looked very gimmick appropriate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 2 hours ago, DTTW said: Probably late to the party here, but Brutus on the E&C show was seriously the best thing he's ever done and I instantly liked him for the first time in decades. Here's one that'll stump you: What's second best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Cristobal said: Here's one that'll stump you: What's second best? Watching him do coke bumps with an indie wrestler in Detroit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 ill go with the three weeks in 1998 that baby me didn't realize who was playing the disciple 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 On 4/13/2016 at 11:43 AM, Mistah Na1m4rk said: I hadn't realized under recently that referee Nick Patrick attributes his non-fast 3-count specifically to Hogan's direction. From a recent Observer: can i get an exact issue where this was published? not that i'm doubting you, it's just something that i've never seen officially confirmed and would love to read it, context and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 9 hours ago, The Nature Boy said: I've always thought that the whole "Sting didn't show up in shape" thing was a load of BS. The guy spent the last year and a half hanging out in the rafters, being a loner and only dropping in to attack the nWo. It's not like he had time to hit up the tanning bed and Gold's Gym. Sting looked very gimmick appropriate. Yeah I never got that either. It's not like he showed up looking like Buddy Rose or something. And none of my friends and I noticed anything off about his appearance that night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I always took that not in shape thing to be a less shitty way of taking a shot at whatever substance issues Sting had at the time. He's always been fairly forthcoming about it, but people don't really bring it up like they do when talking about HBK because Sting seemed to be much easier to work with even when he had troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Makes sense. The only guy I've ever really heard say anything negative about Sting was Gary Hart. In his book, he said Sting was really hard to work with and was actually an asshole to fans. He recalled a specific instance where Sting was making fun of some mentally handicapped kids in an airport. Of course all of this happened back in 1988-89 before Sting got Jeebus but still pretty shitty behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Sting hadn't had a match in 18 months. Maybe they were saying he wasn't in "ring shape". Did he blow up early in the match or something? I don't remember and haven't watched it in years, but it could be a combo of that as well as whatever substance he was abusing at the time to put him "out of shape" for the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I just re-watched the match and Sting looked ok to me. He didn't look noticeably out of breath or anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I've always assumed it was a nice way to say he was "in no condition to perform" (as TNA puts it) due to whatever substance abuse/alcohol issues he had at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 So I've decided to start watching the WWF from Survivor Series 1999 on. I thought of starting earlier but I have no real desire to re-watch the Russo part of the Attitude Era but I am very interested in rewatching late 1999 - 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badfish69 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I am starting at the first shows of 96 for both WWE and WCW. I am so far enjoying WWE more at this point. They have some horrible gimmicks, but at least it isn't dominated by Hogan. I really disliked Hogan at that point of his career. Oh and in what Universe should Flair/Sting go before Hogan/ Meng? Yeah I really disliked Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, badfish69 said: I am starting at the first shows of 96 for both WWE and WCW. I am so far enjoying WWE more at this point. They have some horrible gimmicks, but at least it isn't dominated by Hogan. I really disliked Hogan at that point of his career. 1996 WWF was really underrated. I tried rewatching some of the 1998-late 1999 stuff and it doesn't age well at all. From what I remember, the Kreski era was the perfect mix of storytelling and in-ring action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badfish69 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 50 minutes ago, The Nature Boy said: 1996 WWF was really underrated. I tried rewatching some of the 1998-late 1999 stuff and it doesn't age well at all. From what I remember, the Kreski era was the perfect mix of storytelling and in-ring action. What is really standing out to me is that I am into February and I have seen the WWF title defended one time on RAW and the WCW title up for grabs on every single Nitro. Everybody gets title shots in WCW! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, badfish69 said: What is really standing out to me is that I am into February and I have seen the WWF title defended one time on RAW and the WCW title up for grabs on every single Nitro. Everybody gets title shots in WCW! LOL That changes once Hollywood Hogan gets the WCW World Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 11 hours ago, cwoy2j said: I just re-watched the match and Sting looked ok to me. He didn't look noticeably out of breath or anything. Thanks for biting the bullet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Now we know who watches Swerved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 22 hours ago, cwoy2j said: I just re-watched the match and Sting looked ok to me. He didn't look noticeably out of breath or anything. He didn't look like a bodybuilder. Like Hogan would be the one to gripe about windpower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 11 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Thanks for biting the bullet. I actually went back and rewatched the whole ppv. Just as shitty as I remembered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Does anyone know if WCW Saturday night will ever be on The Network? There's so much goodness there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 We can only hope and pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Yuppie Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I interpreted "Sting was out of shape" as "Eric Bischoff is a lying sack of crap who let Hulk Hogan do whatever he wanted." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovchunky Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Where does the Sting/substance abuse stuff come from? I've never heard this anywhere, but have read it here multiple times. Can anybody expand? Was he just drinking too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, lovchunky said: Where does the Sting/substance abuse stuff come from? I've never heard this anywhere, but have read it here multiple times. Can anybody expand? Was he just drinking too much? He's admitted in the past on interviews about his turning to God that he was mixing painkillers with alcohol through at least the first few years of the Crow gimmick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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