A Guy Named Tracy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Where the hell did the name "kip-up" come from? A kip is a move in gymnastics. Basically, it is when the gymnast swings underneath the uneven bars, brings their legs up to their chest, and then swings backwards ending up with their body across or on the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 "Kip" is archaic slang for sleeping, so it's literally "going from a sleeping position to an upright position." The Chinese army was apparently well known for practicing the move as part of calisthenics, and Japan co-opted it after they invaded China in the early, early, early days of WWII (really the second Sino-Japanese war, but they ran together). Allied forces saw their prisoners doing it during the war and conflated the old "kip-up" with "Nippon" (the Japanese word for their homeland) Can anyone point me to a GOOD (non-comedy) Colt Cabana match? I feel like I'm super down on the guy, and much like my attempts to watch Whedon stuff, I'd like to give him another chance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Um, no Because being jobbed out and made to look like a chump for six months is good for his career? The booking really failed Orton at that period as the issue was almost entirely built around Bryan against The Authority with Orton himself having very little personal stake it the matter. Which has really been the case for quite a while as everything Randy has done since winning the title the last time hasn't been about him. Even the matches against the Rhodes Boys were predicated around what they were doing to get Triple H angry. Orton had been pushed to the background heavily while still holding the World Title. Now he seems to be on course to put first the Shield and now Roman Reigns individually over and, again, doesn't seem to have a personal stake in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Having the Shield beat Evolution so decisively and so quickly was a really bad idea. After that they had no choice but to break them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenalysis Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 My retirement came when twelve-year-old me took a bad pedigree. The carpeted floor shredded my face. I couldn't bare to make eye contact with anyone for about a week. When I was a kid, I remember "inventing" the Fisherman's DDT so I got my cousin in the headlock, hooked his leg and just spiked him on the floor. After he recovered, I let him superkick me in the face and it staggered me back into a cabinet that I promptly broke. Our wrestling was like a Concession Stand Brawl, complete with magazines used as chair shots and baking trays used as weapons when we got into the kitchen. You had to pay your dues to get into our House Wrestling Federation. It was like ECW but without the hardcore narcotics to numb the pain of jumping down stairs. I invented the Jackhammer about 12 years before Goldberg was a thing. My pillow took that move more times than Jerry Flynn. I thought Terry Gordy invented the Jackhammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Hindsight being what it is, The Shield should have stayed heel and had a focused series against John Cena where they threw themselves at him in turn in order to elevate themselves. After the Evolution thing, they had no where to go but to split them up since The Wyatt Family got so devalued. Throw in the Usos as John's back up and they would have at least a program that would have been worthy of the unit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Can anyone point me to a GOOD (non-comedy) Colt Cabana match? I feel like I'm super down on the guy, and much like my attempts to watch Whedon stuff, I'd like to give him another chance. Comedy is what he does. That's like asking for a Steve Austin match where he doesn't throw any punches. But Colt Cabana vs. James Gibson from Gibson's ROH Championship run was pretty fucking awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Comedy was also what Doink did, but Matt Borne could also wrestle like a mofo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Colt Cabana vs. AJ Styles from the 2002 JCW Jersey J-Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeball Wizard Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 My retirement came when twelve-year-old me took a bad pedigree. The carpeted floor shredded my face. I couldn't bare to make eye contact with anyone for about a week.When I was a kid, I remember "inventing" the Fisherman's DDT so I got my cousin in the headlock, hooked his leg and just spiked him on the floor. After he recovered, I let him superkick me in the face and it staggered me back into a cabinet that I promptly broke. Our wrestling was like a Concession Stand Brawl, complete with magazines used as chair shots and baking trays used as weapons when we got into the kitchen. You had to pay your dues to get into our House Wrestling Federation. It was like ECW but without the hardcore narcotics to numb the pain of jumping down stairs.I invented the Jackhammer about 12 years before Goldberg was a thing. My pillow took that move more times than Jerry Flynn. I thought Terry Gordy invented the Jackhammer. Just for the sake of keeping tradition alive; Nova invented Terry Gordy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I'd heard that Dean Malenko invented the jackhammer. Had a guy up for a suplex while training, the guy slipped so Malenko turned it into a powerslam on the way down so that the guy wouldn't fall straight on his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fixit Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Having the Shield beat Evolution so decisively and so quickly was a really bad idea. After that they had no choice but to break them up. They could've had them pursuing their own feuds while staying a group. Reigns can still go after Orton and HHH but he can also continue to have the 6 man Shield tags on TV which make him look good. Rollins winning the IC title and defending against Cesaro and Barrett would be a good direction for him. And you could put Ambrose in a blood feud with Bray Wyatt, which would definitely be better than what Bray's doing now. Then later you can have them go after Lesnar. It just seems so easy to me to keep booking these guys as a group until at least next Mania season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Can anyone point me to a GOOD (non-comedy) Colt Cabana match? I feel like I'm super down on the guy, and much like my attempts to watch Whedon stuff, I'd like to give him another chance. His Homicide fued? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrParka Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 It was vs Takada in 1988 UWF. Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So wait wait wait. There are people that are saying the WWE was dumb to build around the hottest act they've had in literally years? GTFO with that. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 I am just trying to figure how Randy Orton suddenly became the paragon of health 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 He was not fired for his weight How many times does this need to be explained on here? He was in the best shape of his life when he was released. It seems pretty clear that he wasn't, and this is actually the first time I've heard it suggested that he was fired for other reasons. Hindsight being what it is, The Shield should have stayed heel and had a focused series against John Cena where they threw themselves at him in turn in order to elevate themselves. After the Evolution thing, they had no where to go but to split them up since The Wyatt Family got so devalued. Throw in the Usos as John's back up and they would have at least a program that would have been worthy of the unit. This is the exact booking that devalued the Wyatts. So wait wait wait. There are people that are saying the WWE was dumb to build around the hottest act they've had in literally years? GTFO with that. Vic's the only one saying that, and he's a notorious curmudgeon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 He wasn't fired for his weight, he was fired because he was told to focus on definition in addition to cardio, but didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Orton basically sacrificed his career for Daniel Bryan. Before that feud he was always over. He was really selfless in putting Bryan over for six months. I think a lot of guys at Orton's level would have started vetoing putting him over. I think you are confusing cause and effect. The cause of Orton losing his shine was not Daniel Bryan. The cause was months of wishy washy booking which made both Orton and Bryan look weak and pathetic. Bryan was able to overcome it because the fans were so behind him. Regardless, I love the idea of Randy Orton being presented as some kind of pro wrestling religious figure who sacrificed his overness to give birth to Bryan's overness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 He wasn't fired for his weight, he was fired because he was told to focus on definition in addition to cardio, but didn't. Source on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 The entire point is entirely ridiculous anyways. Before he won the MITB briefcase and cashed it in against Bryan, Orton was meandering somewhere on the midcard for months. The main event scene on Smackdown was entirely dominated by Sheamus, Alberto del Rio and the Big Show at the time. The feud with Bryan was Orton's return to main event status after a very long absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So wait wait wait. There are people that are saying the WWE was dumb to build around the hottest act they've had in literally years? GTFO with that. Yeah, its not like the WWE has ever booked around their hottest act before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fixit Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How does this guy look like he isn't in good shape? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 He wasn't fired for his weight, he was fired because he was told to focus on definition in addition to cardio, but didn't. Source on this? Meltzer via November's omnibus thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Tossing these indy guys into development is part to get rid of all their litany of bad habits and part to make sure they're willing to be part of the system and play the game and listen to instruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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