Shane Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Eoae said: What's BTS? I tried Google and didn't come up with anything that seemed obviously wrestling-related. https://redcircle.com/shows/between-the-sheets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 6:46 PM, Curt McGirt said: Vince himself said in the ECW doc that he was paying Paul. I think both sides were paying Paul as a bit of a recruit for their respective feds. Thanks, I forgot about that part but now that you mentioned it it came back to me. It's interesting to see how Paul was trying to rage against the machine (yeah, I know) when he was working with them in some way the whole time. That's some mighty fine carny stuff to pull that off while telling your crew something else. I'll also admit to not seeing the rest of the episode when I posted this. But after finishing it if there's ever an episode of Livewire to check out that's the one. Lots of chaos going on from Russo being Russo, Dok responding to him being called Michael Hayes, Vince going inside baseball, and constant arguments going on throughout it all. It's a mess but a rather compelling one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Martin Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 21 hours ago, Eoae said: What's BTS? I tried Google and didn't come up with anything that seemed obviously wrestling-related. Between The Sheets. A podcast with Kris Zellner and David Bixenspan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 why was Jack Victory employed by ECW? barely talks, never wrestles, not a former star. i don't get it whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 I always figured because he went back (at least to 89) with Heyman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 they needed a warm body? (this goes for his whole career) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 6 hours ago, zendragon said: they needed a warm body? (this goes for his whole career) And then some in 88-89 NWA! I swear like every show from that time has Victory in two matches. One usually under a mask. Even as a kid I thought that was funny. Dude has one of the most distinct body shapes of anyone in wrestling. That mask ain’t fooling anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Log said: And then some in 88-89 NWA! I swear like every show from that time has Victory in two matches. One usually under a mask. Even as a kid I thought that was funny. Dude has one of the most distinct body shapes of anyone in wrestling. That mask ain’t fooling anyone. THE BLACKMAILER.....! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, twiztor said: why was Jack Victory employed by ECW? barely talks, never wrestles, not a former star. i don't get it whatsoever. Besides being a Heyman guy from their days together in WCW, I wonder if Heyman felt responsible for his injury and felt like he had to keep him around. Victory broke his leg at November to Remember '98 and it supposedly didn't heal right, which is why he rarely wrestled singles matches in ECW after that (mostly seconded Corino and wrestled tag matches where he didn't do much). Edited June 29, 2021 by Eoae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 It's not like Victory was horrible or anything. He and Jack Tatum had a great team together in Texas. He basically a guy you looked at thought "Man, I wanna boo that guy for no reason" which is what made hima decent heel. He was just kinda vanilla. Like if you teamed with Doug Somers they could be sponsored by Breyer's! James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 My favorite Jack Victory moment was when he and John Tatum had a feud over pizza shop profits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Victory had great punches. I always thought he was fun in the enforcer role for a guy like Tatum. He and Rip Morgan were a team I always wished got more of a chance, too. I'm glad I got to see him live during his ECW days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I wouldn’t say he did nothing in ECW. There were matches where all he did was wheel out there and back yes but some of his comedy relief stuff was absolute gold. 1 of my favorite funny moments ever in wrestling was his reintroducing himself to Missy when she came back to ECW at the very end. Paul apparently believed in having guys who did nothing around though. When done right they can really enhance the whole show just by walking the aisle. Jack Victory, Big Sal, Dudleys who rarely wrestled, Corino when he first started etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 911 got super over by only ever doing one thing. It's only logical that someone else could get over by not doing anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I also always thought that Heyman, and the hardcore ECW fans, kind of got off on having any old wrestler out there who would do what they were told and not complain. It was their equivalent of sticking it to the man kinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 When Jim Cornette showed up on RAW in 1993 what was just as shocking as Cornette being there, was Vince McMahon on commentary talking about Smoky Mountain Wrestling. This was the first I recall of another promotion being acknowledged on WWF TV. I've heard it said that the NWA was mentioned a couple of times in the 1980s, I think on a Pipers Pit with Greg Valentine on as a guest and possibly Gorilla Monsoon and Lord Alfred talking about Terry Funk. Were there any other notable instances before the late 90s when you had the ECW invasion, AAA being namedropped when they brought Luchadores in, and an occasional mention of WCW by name? I don't believe NWA or WCW were ever specifically named when Flair came in with his "Real World Title" nor was USWA ever brought up in relation to Jerry Lawler even though Vince and others were appearing on USWA TV. Did AJW ever get a mention when they brought in Aja Kong and the other Joshi wrestlers in late '95? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Well, They did mention the death of David Von Erich on WWF TV. And Vince showed clips of other promotions on All American (largely to scout talent to steal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On that note did Gordon Solie congratulate the Ultimate Warrior for beating Hogan on the WCW Control Center? I thought I read that more than once but never saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 I know Giant Baba was mentioned in the 80s (by Gorilla Monsoon, when Heenan alleged that Giant Machine was clearly Andre the Giant, Monsoon replied that it could be Giant Baba under the mask) but I don't think AJPW ever got namedropped. Maybe NJPW got mentioned very early on in the expansion era when there was still a relationship between the companies. Did Michinoku Pro get a mention during one of the Sasuke/Taka matches? Did they credit IWA when showing footage of Cactus Jack winning the KOTDM '95 tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonial Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Bruno also made mention of Giant Baba during the first few weeks of the Machines angle, referring to him as "Baba the Giant." Again, no reference to All Japan. On the Buddy Rose Piper's Pit clip that I posted after Orndorff's death, Piper makes mention that he and Rose worked together elsewhere, but does not go into too much specifics. When Flair and the "Real World's Title" showed up, I believe Heenan and others would always say the belt was from "another promotion" and not an official WWF title. Not TV, but I swear I remember a WWF Magazine article from 1984-85 that mentioned Hogan wrestling Tatsumi Fujinami in Japan, but did not say anything about NJPW (it was more "Hogan is a world champion who travels the world"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Didnt they tease heat between Piper and Valentine the first time he did pipers Pit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Did Bruno or Buddy Rogers ever do the World Champ vs World Champ deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, zendragon said: Did Bruno or Buddy Rogers ever do the World Champ vs World Champ deal? Buddy is likely a complicated answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, zendragon said: Did Bruno or Buddy Rogers ever do the World Champ vs World Champ deal? Bruno turned down a run as Unified WWWF/NWA champ due to the insane schedule that was proposed, Lou Thesz also asked for a huge payday to do the job. Bruno wrestled Harley Race to a draw in a match for the NWA belt, it wasn’t a champ vs. champ match since it was during Pedro’s run as WWWF champ. The Bruno-Freddie Blassie matches may have been initially been WWWF Champion vs. West Coast or Pacific Champion, but then morphed into just Blassie trying to win the WWWF belt, I think Blassie lost the WWA World belt when he left Los Angeles for New York. The Bruno-Ray Stevens match in San Francisco was WWWF Champion vs. US Champion, the San Francisco promotion was out of the NWA at that point and the US Title was their top championship. There was no chance of Rogers doing any type of World Champion vs. World Champion match during his brief run as WWWF Champ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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