greenbat Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 ugh,I moved to China and my subscription just ran out,I get my bank account tomorrow, let's see if this works because I need loud ass Bryan Alvarez for my subway rides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 If you play Alvarez over a PA system in the HK Financial District, they'll start to riot even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 MINUS 5,000 QUAI! I'm in Beijing,I barely even know what's going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakigatame Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Anyone as big on Tana/Shibata as Dave is? I dug it, but Dave is making it sound like it's his match of the year. I'm not. Thought it was a great match but not close to *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drshowtime Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I thought their G-1 match was better and a lot closer to 5, it was probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite match of the G-1. This one to me idk if it would even be top 5-10 compared to the tourney even despite how great it is on it's own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I find it fascinating that New Japan almost desensitized people to good matches 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I find it fascinating that New Japan almost desensitized people to good matches This is a really good point. I can watch NJPW and WWE and compartmentalize them as two separate worlds. I evaluate NJPW matches compared to other NJPW matches. Creates a weird disconnect when I'm let down by a match, when by the standards of any other company it was fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 @davemeltzerWON It's good to see an MMA show with clingons are allowed to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I've often wondered about this: one of the drops that shows up quite often in songs on the Brian & Vinny show is Vinny yelling "BEE!" What's the origin of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecubsfan Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 long forgotten CMLL luchador Rey Tigre was yelling that out during the match, and Vince imitated it on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 This week's WON has two really good obits for Ox and Dr Ken Ramey... there's plenty of Youtube footage for the former but not nearly enough for the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Machismo Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 "Dave had a very poetic writing style back then" "Oh that was a letter write in" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 According to a new audio show on the observer site, the rnr express were elected to the hof this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well, it's about damn time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Now do Sting please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libs Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 It's a long dead horse, but there really isn't a solid argument for Sting as a HOFer beyond fan nostalgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 He drew in wrestling better than Brock at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 It's a long dead horse, but there really isn't a solid argument for Sting as a HOFer beyond fan nostalgia. This is fucking dumb. Like...really dumb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCM Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I really don't know what the WO HOF criteria is, but Sting was WCW's top baby face for the hottest run in company history. Also it's not like he wasn't having good matches in the 7 or 8 years before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I am kind-of flabbergasted that Gorilla isn't in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libs Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Brock doesn't deserve to be in either. He didn't get in this year, but if he goes back to UFC and pops some buys, he probably will get in in the future though. Not that that will make any sense. It's a long dead horse, but there really isn't a solid argument for Sting as a HOFer beyond fan nostalgia. This is fucking dumb. Like...really dumb. It's truth though? I loved Sting growing up too. Doesn't mean his own peers and industry folk view him as an all-time worker (because they clearly don't) or that his drawing was up to snuff enough to counter (because it wasn't). And he wasn't the top face when WCW was at its peak; that was Goldberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 The thing to remember, always, about the WON HOF is that it's Dave's HOF. The WON is a very particular publication with certain norms and preferences. For instance, it makes a lot of sense that Gorilla Monsoon wouldn't be in considering how negative the publication was to him throughout the 80s and early 90s. It makes sense that Lesnar might be more weighted due to the fact it is a MMA publication as well and has been for years, even if he doesn't have the wrestling credentials to be more than a laughable candidate at best. It makes sense on some level that Tanahashi is in at such a young age, before we can really have a good understanding of historical perspective because he's so lauded by Meltzer and the WON audience. It makes sense that a guy like Angle would make it in due to amateur credentials and because he worked a style that Meltzer personally loved. This isn't some objective body. It's a Meltzer guiding the argument and then a bunch of hugely carny former wrestlers and fairly dubious reporters/historians whose actual knowledge really runs the gamut. Never get too up in arms over the WON HOF is basically the moral of the story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 It is the most legit pro wrestling HOF there is, though. Would Sting ever be considered a good-enough draw on his own, though? He was such a good babyface for Flair, but would he have been half as successful without Flair or Hogan during the Crow run? I could see arguments for him being in and being left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 It is the most legit pro wrestling HOF there is, yes, and that's a shame. There's been a lot of talk about Sting. I know Dylan and Dave did a whole wrestling culture podcast on whether or not Sting should be in the HOF: You can find the link to it somewhere in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I fall firmly in the "Sting doesn't go in" camp. Sting was such a bad draw as champion -- back when such things mattered -- that they took the belt off him earlier than planned on a house show in market that wasn't even a key city. Work wise, he was very good luggage. He was carried to great stuff by Flair and Vader but against guys who weren't better than him, he was average to bad. You can call out him being the top babyface in WCW but he was always the second banana, not the draw. People were paying to see the NWO, not this mythical awesome NWO vs Sting program that only consisted of NWO beatdowns and Sting sitting in the rafters. If your criteria for HOF is, "well, he is famous," then fine. But if you go by money drawn, work, and other objective criteria, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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