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If people didn't bitch about the 18 second thing, the WWE wouldn't have made it into a thing. The YES! chant became a thing because people wouldn't fucking let it go that the scrawny little shithead that managed to avoid his comeuppance by a couple of big, fat giants for several months got squashed like a bug (as he should have). Again, pro wrestling should be about storylines and characters because the WWE produces a fucking tv show.

 

 

Does anyone here watch their favorite non-wrestling show and impatiently bitch about the storyline before it even ends?

 

Or bitch about the storyline even though they got the end result they wished for?

 

 

God that was a terrible book, but at least it had a great ending!

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If people didn't bitch about the 18 second thing, the WWE wouldn't have made it into a thing. The YES! chant became a thing because people wouldn't fucking let it go that the scrawny little shithead that managed to avoid his comeuppance by a couple of big, fat giants for several months got squashed like a bug (as he should have). Again, pro wrestling should be about storylines and characters because the WWE produces a fucking tv show.

 

 

Does anyone here watch their favorite non-wrestling show and impatiently bitch about the storyline before it even ends?

 

Or bitch about the storyline even though they got the end result they wished for?

 

 

God that was a terrible book, but at least it had a great ending!

 

 

That ignores that wrestling is a serial. Books end and those characters go away. Wrestlers continue on, even after their storyline ends. 

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I mean really, why do people have to critical of things they like and want to see do better? I mean come on!

Let's get pissed at people bitching about their sports teams while we're at it.

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What I understand from the WON HOF is that I don't know the first thing about Mexico or Puerto Rico. Instinctively, Carlos Colon should be in pretty easily just thinking about what I know about him (which admittedly isn't much). Am I wrong about this?

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I live in fucking Connecticut and Sting was the best thing ever to me as a little kid growing up in the northeast where unfortunately I didn't get to see him live but I did on TBS every week. There were a lot of kids like me who absolutely would have gone to see Sting if we could have..

So all this "he didn't draw" shit is a bunch of nonsense. If he was in WWF, he would have been another Ultimate Warrior except probably an even bigger star because he wouldn't have flaked out a bunch of times. Sting was hampered by the promotion.. not the other way around.

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I live in fucking Connecticut and Sting was the best thing ever to me as a little kid growing up in the northeast where unfortunately I didn't get to see him live but I did on TBS every week. There were a lot of kids like me who absolutely would have gone to see Sting if we could have..

So all this "he didn't draw" shit is a bunch of nonsense. If he was in WWF, he would have been another Ultimate Warrior except probably an even bigger star because he wouldn't have flaked out a bunch of times. Sting was hampered by the promotion.. not the other way around.

 

This

 

I grew up in fucking VERMONT and I was a huge Sting fan as a kid. Sting would've been huge in the WWF. 

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That you keep bringing up when you were a kid, not any concrete information about drawing or even general voter opinion on work quality, and having to what if based pretty much entirely on your markdom really does little but prove my point that there's no case of note for him.

 

If you want a definitive reason why Meltzer's HOF is trash, the fact that by his criteria Goldberg and Luger belong but Sting doesn't works pretty well.

Except neither are in nor will either ever be.

 

That doesn't change that even Luger was able to draw better than Sting opposite a guy like Flair while being booked by the same terrible bookers or that Goldberg, not Sting, was the man on top when WCW was at its business peak.

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Yes.  Pro Wrestling USA, and also WWWF in the 70's.

 

His WWWF run relies on a very loose definition of "position to draw." I'm pretty sure Carlos never got a sustained main event push during that time.

 

Speaking of "loose definition," libs seems to have a very loose idea of WCW history. Lex Luger draw well against Flair because of the hot Four Horsemen angle. Sting drew poorly because the BLACK SCORPION angle started pretty much directly after he got the belt. The same people who booked Luger's run against Flair almost certainly did not book Sting's.

 

And Goldberg was on top during the business peak but without Sting's work (less than 6 months earlier), there wouldn't have been a peak for Goldberg to be on top FOR. 

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And here's some concrete data for you:

 

WCW Starrcade 1997 headlined by Sting vs. Hollywood Hogan drew the highest gate AND highest buyrate of ANY event in WCW history. People were paying to see Sting finally defeat the nWo and bring home the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. 

 

Source: http://www.pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/The_Specialists_34/article_24141.shtml#.VHELvIvF_aU

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I live in fucking Connecticut and Sting was the best thing ever to me as a little kid growing up in the northeast where unfortunately I didn't get to see him live but I did on TBS every week. There were a lot of kids like me who absolutely would have gone to see Sting if we could have..

So all this "he didn't draw" shit is a bunch of nonsense. If he was in WWF, he would have been another Ultimate Warrior except probably an even bigger star because he wouldn't have flaked out a bunch of times. Sting was hampered by the promotion.. not the other way around.

 

 

He does poorly with active and former wrestlers because they hold his role in Brody's death against him.

 

God I was so confused by that response for a second before I remember the post that was immediately before it.

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And here's some concrete data for you:

 

WCW Starrcade 1997 headlined by Sting vs. Hollywood Hogan drew the highest gate AND highest buyrate of ANY event in WCW history. People were paying to see Sting finally defeat the nWo and bring home the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. 

 

Source: http://www.pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/The_Specialists_34/article_24141.shtml#.VHELvIvF_aU

nah, man, people were obviously paying to see Hogan~!

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That you keep bringing up when you were a kid, not any concrete information about drawing or even general voter opinion on work quality, and having to what if based pretty much entirely on your markdom really does little but prove my point that there's no case of note for him.

Actually, I was done with you a couple pages back because you didn't address any of the "concrete information" that has already been raised in this thread.

As for the NWA, we are talking about regional territories here. They were absolutely some of the best wrestling you will ever see, I am a huge fan of the territories but lets be honest.. All this talk about "drawing" is fucking bogus because none of these guys had any kind of national prominence. Say they draw 20,000 in North Carolina.. what are they doing in New York? Nothing. Flies.

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Sting gets punished for not being a draw despite working the majority of his career for companies that didn't prioritize things like selling tickets or PPVs.

 

Luger's run with Flair took place under JCP when the company still concentrated on selling tickets.  Sting got his run with Flair under Turner when WCW was run by TV people who only cared about pumping out TV content.  Bischoff only cared about TV ratings.  TNA only cared about TV ratings.

 

WCW sold out multiple dome shows during the Nitro era and I don't think it was because people really wanted to see the NWO babble for twenty minutes because the building would shake when Sting showed up to beat them up with his baseball bat.

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So Sting may or may not have drawn over a couple year period of 1997-1998.

 

That ranks him below Edge, JYD, and Kerry Von Erich, who drew longer and aren't in. Moreover, that doesn't take into account his godawful TNA run which lasted longer than anytime he drew in WCW.

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