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Technico Support

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Learning a homogeneous and boring style of wrestling, and refusing to job because you have a WWEID and your opponent doesn't sound like great ways to not get booked on indie shows.  

Yes this is all speculation, but the "can't job to unaffiliated talent" apparently happened on the UK scene.

Also: Yo dawg, we heard you like developmental, so we gave your developmental a developmental.

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NoFistsJustFlips

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Waiting for the other shoe to drop on these deals. What's the non compete component? WWE traditionally doesn't do things for altruistic motives. So if you train at a WWEID school are you barred from working anywhere? If you're a WWEID worker are you barred from signing with AEW or New Japan?

Not enough details out there for me to form a fair opinion yet.

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AxB

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2 hours ago, Technico Support said:

Learning a homogeneous and boring style of wrestling, and refusing to job because you have a WWEID and your opponent doesn't sound like great ways to not get booked on indie shows.  

Yes this is all speculation, but the "can't job to unaffiliated talent" apparently happened on the UK scene.

No Apparently about it. It happened. The only exception was to drop titles on the way out of the companies, seeing as they had all of the NXT UK contractees gradually stop doing indies and only work your NXT UK shows.

Also, apparently the standard NXT UK contract was for £300 a week. Which is considerably less than you'd make working 40 hours a week minimum wage in the same timeframe. So once they stopped doing the indie dates, if they'd given up their day jobs (which WWE made them do), they'd be taking a bigtime financial hit.

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zendragon

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7 hours ago, Mister TV said:

I think you're looking too deep into the Rumble angle, the face after being eliminated offering a handshake to the heel then pulling him out was a standard Battle Royal spot, using it for a turn was more of a bad choice than Vince's narcissism. 

I remember William Perry doing it at the WMII battle royale

Ziggy

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I see alot of Pro WWE fans excited about this. It will be interesting to see how no WWE affiliated wrestlers approach matches with WWEID guys. 

It sounds like it could create some problems.Wouldnt they be better off just having 1 or 2 indy promotions that's official farm promotions like OVW and HWA in the early 2000s

It sounds like they are muddying the waters purposely which isn't surprising. Most of us expected them to focus on another international region like Japan or even Africa or the Middle East. 

I know Booker had been trying since he opened up his school to be officially affiliated with WWE so good for him

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SovietShooter

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2 hours ago, Ziggy said:

I know Booker had been trying since he opened up his school to be officially affiliated with WWE so good for him

I mean, to these schools that are part of the program, theyre going to get an influx of cash from all the students knocking on the door.  They can up their price, and be very picky about who they take in now.  Assuming they aren't paying any kind of crazy fee to be affiliated, it is nothing but good for them. I mean, look at how OVW is still making money from being affiliated 20yrs ago. 

Schools on the outside looking in are going to have a tougher time... a big part of any profession is networking and "who you know".  I know how it was when I was training in the mid-00s, and affiliated with an NWA promotion; You get a lot of folks coming thru the door that think they're too good for "Indy wrestling", and quickly put together that most of the folks in Indy wrestling were never stars, and never will be.

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At the very least the ones tied to wrestlers and their schools I can follow the mutual logic, WWE probably would like someplace to send their performance center people to get some more reps and not have to worry about who they are dealing with and Soviet covered why said schools would want to be a part of it.

 

That Lashley story was the moment I realized 100% why WWE decided to move one >_>

Ziggy

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8 hours ago, hammerva said:

Some of these indie promoters might want to listen to their friends on the other side of the Atlantic and ask them how European indies turned out after NXT UK.   Although to be fair most of these indies listed already nobody knew they existed until yesterday so going down in flames is better than nothing.    Reality of Wrestling should be fine regardless and I would think the Brave and Rollins promotion will be okay too.  But the others yeah

Hopefully the indies that went out of their way to pander to the WWE now can just say fuck it and be the alternative they are supposed to be

WWE was working with alot of the top promotions over there from the beginning. I'm sure they will grabe some widely known indie companies to work with as time goes on but so far the promotions they are working with aren't using establed names or not what anyone would call a super indie. Most these promotions are already full of guys that wouldn't mind in WWE picked them up after less than a year of training. Didn't the UK have a bunch of promotions equal to Ring of Honor and PWG of super indy workers. 

Until they sign House of Glory or GCW then it will be a big problem for the indies over here. Most these guys are just finished training Bookers promotion was the only one in this group that had established active wrestlers come in and work with there talent. Especially since the NXT 2.0 there is so many talent that they built from scratch that are working people with the same level of experience. This program won't solve that problem unless you get your more seasoned workers to come in and work with them. When WWE was working with Evolve that was perfect for WWE because they got to bring in NXT talent that could fit that style and let them get that experience of what it was to be an indy. I forgot Knox Pro was Rikishi and Gangrel school. They are probably the best at training guys and getting them ready for WWE. None of these promotions were actively trying to be a top indie 

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Technico Support

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I imagine they want to create two indy scenes, a "haves and have nots" situation, where the bulk of the most talented wrestlers are eventually WWE-affiliated, thus choking off the pipeline to AEW, super indies like GCW, and other higher-up promotions.  This company has shown us who they are for four decades and it's only going to get worse now that they're backed my a multibillion dollar corporation.  But that's just me.

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FourPostMassacre

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The bigger crime here for me is that Seth Rollins has a wrestling school. I just imagine a giant coat rack on wheels with all this ridiculous clown esque clothing they wheel out for the days they work on being a heel. 
 

“Now you look like a complete fool, smile and cackle a lot, really lean in to your shtick”.

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The Natural

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12 minutes ago, FourPostMassacre said:

The bigger crime here for me is that Seth Rollins has a wrestling school. I just imagine a giant coat rack on wheels with all this ridiculous clown esque clothing they wheel out for the days they work on being a heel. 
 

“Now you look like a complete fool, smile and cackle a lot, really lean in to your shtick”.

Legit LOL. Cheers.

The Natural

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Said it before, Shield Seth is the only tolerable Seth. The rest suck. That includes Tyler Black.

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Ziggy

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5 hours ago, The Natural said:

Said it before, Shield Seth is the only tolerable Seth. The rest suck. That includes Tyler Black.

The only insufferable Seth for me personally was the cheesy cult leader Seth. That was Vinces response to the Hell in the Cell debacle with Bray.

I've always been a fan of Seth as a worker so it doesn't bother me how he presents himself. 

I liked his last run as a heel being the delusional guy that thinks he dresses cool  but he's lame but isn't aware that he's lame. The over the top outfits wore out it's welcome after he became face. 

I wish he could have 2009 - 2010 Batista as a face vs 2021 heel Seth Rollins. 

Batista was legit the coolest wrestler ever without trying. Seth is the complete opposite and that's what his last heel run turned in to 

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Cobra Commander

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the real surprise of this early Undertaker video isn't how long it takes him to do the Tombstone 'right' (with his hands locked).. the surprise is the stuff he was trying out that he never did again, like a dropkick, a leapfrog, an under the shoulder backbreaker, and trying to do the Old School in a coherent way

man... this rose pedals/dirt postmatch thing never went anywhere, did it?

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