Curt McGirt Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 57 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: This is why I have a sweatshirt that just says "SPORTS!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwGzyh3IiLU 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Did Ultimo Dragon appear on WCW with the full J-Crown (including the WWF Light Heavyweight Championship that they abandoned in Japan years earlier)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: You'd think there'd be more Brass Knuckles titles these days. Is this because they're banned in Illinois and AEW runs Chicago so frequently? "Hotel Room Soap Covered In Tape Title" just doesn't flow as well or give people excuses to wear kneepads over their jeans along with a free t-shirt from a radio station. You just unlocked my memory of attending a Bunkhouse Stampede in Baltimore in 86 where I swear to god at leat six of the guys in the match, including both Kansas Jayhawks, were wearing the same gimme shirt. It wasn't a radio station shirt; it had some sort of eagle logo on it and said "Promised Land." Probably some country music related thing. Did the 86 Bash tour have any country musicians on it who probably gave out swag? Edited February 26 by Technico Support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 24 minutes ago, AxB said: Did Ultimo Dragon appear on WCW with the full J-Crown (including the WWF Light Heavyweight Championship that they abandoned in Japan years earlier)? I think that's what drew the WWF's attention. Otherwise, they wouldn't have known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 21 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: I think that's what drew the WWF's attention. Otherwise, they wouldn't have known. Did WCW ever mention it by name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, Happ Hazzard said: Did WCW ever mention it by name? I don't think they mentioned any of the belts by name. The only thing they did was say "yeah, the WCW Cruiserweight belt isn't part of this." and make it seem like that is what Dragon would be going for to complete the collection. I think Tenay probably in passing mentioned these belts are from multiple organizations across the world but never mentioned any other organization besides New Japan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 16 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: I don't think they mentioned any of the belts by name. The only thing they did was say "yeah, the WCW Cruiserweight belt isn't part of this." and make it seem like that is what Dragon would be going for to complete the collection. I think Tenay probably in passing mentioned these belts are from multiple organizations across the world but never mentioned any other organization besides New Japan. This is my memory of it as well - to add to this, I think I/we would have probably remembered them mentioning anything beyond the NJPW association, because maybe a year or so after this, Rick Martel debuted on Nitro and I found it really interesting that Tenay very specifically mentioned during his walk out that he was a former WWF tag champ (to the point that I was able to pull it outta my rear end just now 25 years later) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: This is my memory of it as well - to add to this, I think I/we would have probably remembered them mentioning anything beyond the NJPW association, because maybe a year or so after this, Rick Martel debuted on Nitro and I found it really interesting that Tenay very specifically mentioned during his walk out that he was a former WWF tag champ (to the point that I was able to pull it outta my rear end just now 25 years later) Well, they did a video package that was pretty lengthy by Tenay explaining the different lucha organizations. I thought it was interesting that UWA was mentioned since it was barely in existence by then. I wonder how much the other political ramifications in Mexico had to do with all that since you had belts from CMLL being used at a time when AAA wrestlers are in WCW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 19 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Well, they did a video package that was pretty lengthy by Tenay explaining the different lucha organizations. I thought it was interesting that UWA was mentioned since it was barely in existence by then. I wonder how much the other political ramifications in Mexico had to do with all that since you had belts from CMLL being used at a time when AAA wrestlers are in WCW. Damn, great memory by you. Despite the somewhat redundant title, I have always maintained that the recurring "Lucha Libre and the Mexican Luchadors" segment was a legitimately great crash course for the average American, pre-broadband, big 2 only fan (especially as a kid). I was just thinking a couple weekends ago that a redux of sorts might be a cool primer on the CMLL guys currently working AEW. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Hell, I just saw a video package they did for the WCW tag team title tournament in 1999 during my rewatch. They went through a bunch of the best tag teams in WCW history including how tag team wrestling theoretically should work. That one was cool as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiseReise Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 hours ago, Just Dave said: I guess I just don't agree that every match needs to be "booked" to. Like, big ones do. This Page/Joe/Swerve has been pretty fantastic. I look at it like UFC; there usually is an overlying issue between fighters for big time, main event fights. Sometimes it's a title, sometimes it's a giant pile of money, and sometimes there are personal issues between the fighters. I guess we mostly agree, but disagree with the bold part. The fact that the match is a three way would be proof that AEW booking is pretty bad. Recent head to head and the rankings they had reinstated just before the match all favored Swerve, match ends in a draw and this leads to everyone acting like this puts Page at No. 1. Then a 3-way is made... Joe is tremendous at talking, but has no real history with the two. I just don't see the good, let alone great booking. Plus WWE is very focused to limit more elaborate angles on certain talent than you seem to be willing to give them credit. Da Vinci is a pretty good example ironically, because even though he was part of the Imperium / New Day Angle, the focus was clearly more on Kaiser than on him imo... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwGzyh3IiLU Was hoping it was that segment when I clicked. I also regret to inform you all that Logan Paul is the Brass Knuckles champion at the moment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 questionable gimmick idea for mid-90s WWF: Tatanka is repackaged as a Bodydonna to team with Skip, with such vignettes as Tatanka teaching the stereotypical Indian War Dance move as a way to exercise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: questionable gimmick idea for mid-90s WWF: Tatanka is repackaged as a Bodydonna to team with Skip, with such vignettes as Tatanka teaching the stereotypical Indian War Dance move as a way to exercise When Tatanka came back in 2005, I think he should have had the gimmick of a crooked casino boss on a Native American reservation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: When Tatanka came back in 2005, I think he should have had the gimmick of a crooked casino boss on a Native American reservation. I thought that gimmick was rumored but they didn't go forward with it for whatever reason (probably not just because they run shows at Mohegan Sun) The Lumbee aren't a federally recognized tribe, so there's a super-niche idea about Tatanka being super anti-government more because of that lack of recognition. But maybe they could have went in another direction and had Tatanka be a Native American with vignettes showing him driving a truck. Would Vince do a Hillbilly Indian gimmick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Heel authority figure pairs him with the incoming Great Khali, and doesn't understand why this won't work. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 32 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: I thought that gimmick was rumored but they didn't go forward with it for whatever reason (probably not just because they run shows at Mohegan Sun) The Lumbee aren't a federally recognized tribe, so there's a super-niche idea about Tatanka being super anti-government more because of that lack of recognition. But maybe they could have went in another direction and had Tatanka be a Native American with vignettes showing him driving a truck. Would Vince do a Hillbilly Indian gimmick? Hillbillies, Native Americans...I'm sure it's all the same to Vince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I wonder if Sonny Landham ever was close to veering into pro wrestling. If you didn't know better, judging by his most famous film appearances, you would think he was a pro wrestler who got casted in movies cause he was one. He almost seemed too good for those character acting roles. He had the booming voice with a heavy Georgia accent, scary presence, and was a large individual by film standards. If he could actually work, he would been that guy to be the evil Native American to go against babyface Wahoo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) It's funny that some of the things that struck me most when I first saw real lucha was definitely not the wrestling. Ring card girls, heel refs, nigh constant crowd shots, and 2/3 falls rules were way more jarring than anything else. The more I think about it the most major aspect was how despite the guys being able to move really fast the show felt like it was going by so fucking slow. Edited February 27 by Curt McGirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 my favorite Lucha illusion I noticed while watching 2019 CMLL is how large the luchadors seemed if they worked in a match held directly after seeing minis work for 15 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietShooter Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 52 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: The more I think about it the most major aspect was how despite the guys being able to move really fast the show felt like it was going by so fucking slow. I love Lucha, but sometimes I have trouble watching it in a situation where I cannot ff thru all the replays and downtime between falls. Like, a lucha match can go 30mins and only have 10mins of actual action with everything between falls and working the crowd.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I don’t know how I missed this but I just read about Frankie the Macaw’s gruesome, sad death in 2002. I didn’t know he was always the same bird, or that he was Koko’s normal pet first before he was even in the WWF. That means he was with Koko through it all, every night for all those years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I really wish I was fluent in Spanish because I love me some background teevee when I'm playing old games on handheld. I can kinda perk my head up for the competitive stuff and the meaty bits when I have territorial stuff on, or all the old TNA PPVs they have up for free. If I could 100% parse the undercard commentary while my eyes were preoccupied until the tercera I'd be in heaven. I guess baseball is the platonic application of this concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 31 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said: I don’t know how I missed this but I just read about Frankie the Macaw’s gruesome, sad death in 2002. I didn’t know he was always the same bird, or that he was Koko’s normal pet first before he was even in the WWF. That means he was with Koko through it all, every night for all those years. Doesn't the story go that firefighters thought they heard a child inside, but it actually turned out to be Frankie? I don't want to think about what an awful death that bird suffered. Edited February 27 by Nice Guy Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 13 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: Doesn't the story go that firefighters thought they heard a child inside, but it actually turned out to be Frankie? I don't want to think about what an awful death that bird suffered. I read that it was a neighbor who heard Frankie, and tried to get in but couldn’t. Frankie was saying “let me out.” Ugh…but I promise that bird’s in heaven and will be there to tell Koko that it’s ok. I had a small animal for a long time and I won’t explain but I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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