Fat Spanish Waiter Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. CM Punk as Bobby Hill? I accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. CM Punk as Bobby Hill? I accept that. I see Punk as a Gribble type. Pocket sand! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. CM Punk as Bobby Hill? I accept that. I see Punk as a Gribble type. Pocket sand! I always felt like this is exactly how Corey Graves should be booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Wait, what do you mean "air bill joke"? What joke? You guys don't send checks to Mark every month? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. Being good at bar fights is a skill that is wasted on CM Punk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Cuz he's straight edge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Austin Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 All this talk of Batista reminds me of the Wrestlemania 26 hype video for his match with Cena, I remember there being a thread on the old board about great hype videos, I don't think that was mentioned, that one was a great storyteller leading to their match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Perhaps but I highly doubt cardio is the deciding factor in most fights unless you're in a controlled environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Perhaps but I highly doubt cardio is the deciding factor in most fights unless you're in a controlled environment. I dunno, I was attacked by a guy who was floridly psychotic, but in such shape that a couple of whiff punches had him winded and incapable of carrying on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 "floridly psychotic" is an amazing turn of phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 It means he'll garrotte you with a daffodil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Perhaps but I highly doubt cardio is the deciding factor in most fights unless you're in a controlled environment. I dunno, I was attacked by a guy who was floridly psychotic, but in such shape that a couple of whiff punches had him winded and incapable of carrying on. And this is what I'm talking about. In fights most people just try and punch you as hard as they possibly can, exerting tons of energy on punches they may or may not land. Tires someone out fast. Anyway, any guesses on who Batista's first program is with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I usually challenge the other guy to throw a baseball at my chest. And then I talk at him and get inside his head and he starts to get nervous cause everyone has gathered around to watch. He usually misses and then we get to know each other and work it out. And then we take turns with Max Patkin banging Susan Sarandon. It's worked for me like three times. By the way, Susan Sarandon is pretty slutty it turns out. And Max Patkin is a goddamn stallion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Perhaps but I highly doubt cardio is the deciding factor in most fights unless you're in a controlled environment. I dunno, I was attacked by a guy who was floridly psychotic, but in such shape that a couple of whiff punches had him winded and incapable of carrying on. And this is what I'm talking about. In fights most people just try and punch you as hard as they possibly can, exerting tons of energy on punches they may or may not land. Tires someone out fast. Anyway, any guesses on who Batista's first program is with? Cena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Anyway, any guesses on who Batista's first program is with? God, if it's Lesnar, and they both get to 'Mania and the crowd starts chanting "YOU BOTH SUCK!" that will be a great time to be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. CM Punk as Bobby Hill? I accept that. I see Punk as a Gribble type. Pocket sand! "Squirrel tactics!" (did i get that right?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Dale's weird "Hheugh!" grunt is second only to his "Sha-SHA!" verbal tics, in my book. Okay, back to the wrestling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 WIIIINGO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Fuck I love King of the Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooker Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I posted this on Facebook and thought it might be a good topic starter. Something I just thought about. A huge thing missing from today's wrestling climate is the believability of the characters. For as long as I've been a fan, up until about 12-13 years ago, you always got the feeling that all of those dudes could kick your ass in a real fight. They didn't take any crap. Even lower card heels were presented as dudes that might get their tail kicked by the babyface, but they'd still kick yours. Thats why it was so important to have managers, they could show that weakness for the guys so everyone looked strong. I'm not just talking about the monster guys like Barbarian, Andre, etc either. Dudes like Bret Hart, Tully, Arn, Haku were all seen as legit tough guys. Right now, there are too many guys that the average fan would look at and think "I could take him", and there is a good chance that they could. Before, if there was a guy that didn't come off like such a tough guy, like Honky Tonk Man or even early HBK, they made sure to go all the way with it, and use that to make you hate him even more. I guess what I'm saying is that there are too many guys pretending to be bad dudes, instead of actually being one. That is why someone like Brock, Mark Henry, Langston, Reigns, Bully Ray or even James Storm are taken seriously. You know those guys would hand you your ass in a fight. I can't help think this is more to do with your changed attitudes towards wrestling and less about wrestling itself. Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, Terry Funk, Roddy Piper, Iron Sheik, and arguably Hogan himself all share three things in common relevant to this: 1) They are some of the biggest stars in of the age in wrestling you seem to be referring to. 2) They tend more towards the theatrical than the intimidating. 3) I, at least, don't think they're any more believably tough than Austin / Punk / Bryan / Angle / Triple H / Sheamus. There's this weird attitude in wrestling fandom where the idea that a random fan could "kick such-and-such's ass" keeps popping up as a comment. I don't understand that at all. Have you seen random wrestling fans? Or just regular people in general? There's a viral video right now from a bus in Seattle where a mugger with a gun is robbing people. One guy decides to bum-rush him and it leads to a struggle. That's how most "real" fights go unless there's someone with martial arts/combat training involved. Pro-wrestlers, assuming they don't have military past or take some form of combat training (which many do), still have an edge in that they are essentially professional athletes and they are used to taking an incredible beating on their bodies night after night. Ray Misterio could probably kick most fans' ass if it came down to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I'm pretty sure I could at least take Hornswaggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHFP Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Yeah I don't know where this idea of wrestling fans beating up today's wrestlers is coming from. I don't think wrestling fans could even beat My Little Pony fans let alone beating wrestlers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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