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21 minutes ago, Belgian_Waffle said:

Sorry for going even further off topic but since this thread is already pretty much a free for all: 

I completely forgot that the Bone Street Krew was even a thing. Was the perk of being a member basically that you wouldn't get fired (that is, as opposed to guaranteeing a push like the Kliq, the BSK basically guaranteed your job security at a time where guys were coming and going like crazy and maybe a ppv appearance at an In Your House or on a Survivor Series team? Not the most notable list of alumni...)?

I would think some job security, but when you think about it, that's essentially a vast majority of all the top guys who would regularly appear on TV in two different groups. That's not even accounting the guys who were probably adjacent to them. So yeah, due to bumping into the realities of WWF at the time, all you did really is assure you would have a steady house show program.

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On 3/28/2023 at 4:50 PM, John from Cincinnati said:

Decided to give the Unrestricted with Jarrett a listen, and the way he's putting people over has me thinking about a potential feud -- how about Jarrett/Lethal vs Penta/Fenix? Aside from Fenix and Jeff briefly brushing up against one another when Jeff dropped the AAA Mega belt and a triple threat at an indie featuring Penta and Jay last year, there's not been much contact there. It'd be some fresh match and a different look for both teams and Jeff expresses a lot of respect for both of them. 

A 20-minute tag match where the first 10 minutes, including a PiP break, are just Penta and Jarrett spamming their taunts back and forth.

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17 minutes ago, JLowe said:

A 20-minute tag match where the first 10 minutes, including a PiP break, are just Penta and Jarrett spamming their taunts back and forth.

How else to you build up your finisher bar?

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Likely not going to overly ramble as @Matt D already did so beautifully. But I’ll briefly contribute to the discussion on Wrestling Psychology. 

44-E95-E04-BBAC-4-B7-C-84-A7-22-D8-B8-EC
Narrative - The story being told. Usually told in a traditional story arc, does what’s being done in the ring make sense based on the world or environment the story is being told? This can also be done in more experimental ways as well, but the heart of storytelling is having something the audience can follow along with or be moved by, consciously or subconsciously.

Spots - Often “High Spots” or “Moments” these are the exciting pieces of a match. The highlight reel. Flipping or weapons or comedic relief, etc. If combined with story, be it a moment as a callback or a built to spot or even momentum changing move. Spots are a wonderful tool in Wrestling Psychology. OR, everything is built around spots. Utter chaos of throwing a toaster at a guy’s head or a sequence of high flying acrobatics. That’s fine too, in some environments. 

Crowd Reading - I wish I could think of a better title for this but that’s usually how I hear it being referred to. Literally reacting to the crowd. The crowd wants a chop, you give ‘em a chop. I remember hearing Adam Cole on a podcast talk about how he learned to build a match like a rollercoaster. Pacing of the action and the slowed down anticipation of being down and being patient enough to wait and then give them more action. I’m paraphrasing but I think it was on Unrestricted. A good use of crowd reading would be Jerry Lynn talking about a match he was having at a small town show with a X-Division guy (don’t remember who) and the crowd gave no reaction to their usually exciting sequences of spots. Someone yelled out something about Lynn’s hair being long and Jerry reacted by flipping his hair and giving a look and the crowd laughed. Low hanging fruit but it got the audience on their side and it became a comedy match. Story likely went out the window, but in that moment, it was the right use of Wrestling Psychology. Combing an ability to get more out of a crowd along with the Story you are telling and even to milk a Spot, hot diggity dog!

Wrestling Psychology is all of these things. Ideally, (or at least how I like it) a wrestler or match can combine these elements. 

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On 3/29/2023 at 7:00 AM, HarryArchieGus said:

 I had no idea Keith Lee's been online stirring things up. What's he been saying?

Every time I see Keith Lee trend on Twitter, I have to search before I figure out if it's the wrestler or the former MMA fighter turned food vlogger.

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3 hours ago, Ramo2653 said:

Every time I see Keith Lee trend on Twitter, I have to search before I figure out if it's the wrestler or the former MMA fighter turned food vlogger.

well the MMA guy was Kevin Lee, so that should help in the future. Also, TIL that he is now a food critic

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This might not be a problem in a few weeks, but for some weird reason, I keep confusing Jeff Cobb and Brian Cage. Like when I saw the Omega/Cobb match, I thought it was Omega/Cage before realizing "no, that's not Brian Cage"

Cobb and Cage really don't even look alike either. Cobb is like Pacific Island Rhyno and Cage is on all the steroids.

Cobb's also better than Cage although it seemed like Omega/Cobb took some time to warm up with the crowd, or at least with the crowd on the hard cam.

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23 hours ago, Octopus said:

Likely not going to overly ramble as @Matt D already did so beautifully. But I’ll briefly contribute to the discussion on Wrestling Psychology. 

44-E95-E04-BBAC-4-B7-C-84-A7-22-D8-B8-EC
Narrative - The story being told. Usually told in a traditional story arc, does what’s being done in the ring make sense based on the world or environment the story is being told? This can also be done in more experimental ways as well, but the heart of storytelling is having something the audience can follow along with or be moved by, consciously or subconsciously.

Spots - Often “High Spots” or “Moments” these are the exciting pieces of a match. The highlight reel. Flipping or weapons or comedic relief, etc. If combined with story, be it a moment as a callback or a built to spot or even momentum changing move. Spots are a wonderful tool in Wrestling Psychology. OR, everything is built around spots. Utter chaos of throwing a toaster at a guy’s head or a sequence of high flying acrobatics. That’s fine too, in some environments. 

Crowd Reading - I wish I could think of a better title for this but that’s usually how I hear it being referred to. Literally reacting to the crowd. The crowd wants a chop, you give ‘em a chop. I remember hearing Adam Cole on a podcast talk about how he learned to build a match like a rollercoaster. Pacing of the action and the slowed down anticipation of being down and being patient enough to wait and then give them more action. I’m paraphrasing but I think it was on Unrestricted. A good use of crowd reading would be Jerry Lynn talking about a match he was having at a small town show with a X-Division guy (don’t remember who) and the crowd gave no reaction to their usually exciting sequences of spots. Someone yelled out something about Lynn’s hair being long and Jerry reacted by flipping his hair and giving a look and the crowd laughed. Low hanging fruit but it got the audience on their side and it became a comedy match. Story likely went out the window, but in that moment, it was the right use of Wrestling Psychology. Combing an ability to get more out of a crowd along with the Story you are telling and even to milk a Spot, hot diggity dog!

Wrestling Psychology is all of these things. Ideally, (or at least how I like it) a wrestler or match can combine these elements. 

Maybe this should go on the main wrestling board and hopefully bring in a lot of the OG DVDVR contributors and old school RSPW folks, but I feel like this deserves some reflection. 

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20 hours ago, twiztor said:

well the MMA guy was Kevin Lee, so that should help in the future. Also, TIL that he is now a food critic

he means Kevin's younger brother Keith, who was fighting in Bellator and then a food critic

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