SirSmUgly Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 14 hours ago, tbarrie said: I can't agree with this, though. While their schtick got old pretty quickly for me personally, the New Age Outlaws were massively over and I'd even argue they were a second-tier draw. There was a discussion about Road Dogg here recently, and I came to the position that he was basically a guy with a couple catch phrases in an era where that's all you needed to get over. He's Godfather status. It's telling that his tag partner was part of a good, reasonably-over tag team before the NAO existed and then got over 25 years after the NAO first got together in a different company, but Road Dogg just has that one catchphrase-spewing character in an era of catchphrase-spewing characters. All this is to say that I politely disagree with your counter-point. 2
John from Cincinnati Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 Depends on what we mean as "got over." Caster's raps are over, Bowens' catchphrase is over, Billy just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
tbarrie Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: There was a discussion about Road Dogg here recently, and I came to the position that he was basically a guy with a couple catch phrases in an era where that's all you needed to get over. He's Godfather status. It's telling that his tag partner was part of a good, reasonably-over tag team before the NAO existed and then got over 25 years after the NAO first got together in a different company, but Road Dogg just has that one catchphrase-spewing character in an era of catchphrase-spewing characters. Oh, he's absolutely that. Road Dogg sucked. But the Cody tweet you were referencing didn't talk about talent, it talked about drawing and being memorable. I'm quite confident that quite a few people left arenas remembering the New Age Outlaws' act, and as I said, I'd even go so far as to call them a second-tier draw. In other words, you or I may not have much respect for the way he got over, but one can't deny that he was in fact extremely over at one point. 3
odessasteps Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 Many of the biggest acts in history "sucked in the ring," if you go by Dave and his tastes that influenced the workrate fanatics. 1
SirSmUgly Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Many of the biggest acts in history "sucked in the ring," if you go by Dave and his tastes that influenced the workrate fanatics. We just talked about this, too, and I think I started it because I think Dave's JYD slander disqualifies him entirely as a Critic Whose Opinion I Value. I also reject the idea that Workrate = Moves + Pace that has been cemented by Meltzer. Why do we never talk about selling or facial expressions or any of the other ways you can work a crowd as part of this concept? Dave. Larry Z got more crowd reaction wandering around at ringside avoiding Bruno than guys today do by doing dives over the ropes. I think as I've watched a ton of wrestling between '77 and '96 over the past years, I have decided that the definition of good workrate should be centered on crowd reaction rather than wrestler action. What good is a crisp suplex if the crowd isn't feeling it? 6
tbarrie Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Many of the biggest acts in history "sucked in the ring," if you go by Dave and his tastes that influenced the workrate fanatics. Definitely. But Road Dogg happens to be one case where I agree with the Meltzerites. I don't recall him having any particular gift at storytelling or commanding the audience. He was just a catchphrase. 1
DEAN Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 Billie Starkz main events Kouraken Hall at 17. 4
Dolphman 3000 Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) <br /> Edited November 27, 2022 by Dolphman 3000 5
notoriusvig Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 16 hours ago, The Natural said: Bring Hell in a Cell back as a feud ender, lose it as a PLE. Keep Elimination Chamber as part of the Road to WrestleMania. Keep Money in the Bank a PLE. Elimination Chamber and Money in the Bank are the best two B level PLE. I refuse to call these god damned things PLEs, I'm sorry. Sounds too WWE-ey to me. 2 1
SirSmUgly Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 3 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said: Depends on what we mean as "got over." Caster's raps are over, Bowens' catchphrase is over, Billy just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Admittedly, I have only seen that stuff very spottily and may be overrating how integral Gunn is to the act...though I thought he was fairly over even before this during the early period when Sonny Kiss was twerking at him in battle royals and stuff. 3
JLowe Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: Admittedly, I have only seen that stuff very spottily and may be overrating how integral Gunn is to the act...though I thought he was fairly over even before this during the early period when Sonny Kiss was twerking at him in battle royals and stuff. Acclaimed were starting to get hot, but the angle with the Gunns and eventually taking on Daddy Ass (and Scissor Me Daddy Ass) was definitely a factor in them getting molten heat. 5
Unnatural Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 dream matches? Mine - New Jack vs Darby Allin 4
DragonZombie Posted November 27, 2022 Posted November 27, 2022 WWE So no roster draft this year. Seems some think there will be no draft until maybe after WM39. Who knows, maybe the drafts aren't yearly anymore or are done away with?
odessasteps Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 Guessing not the former NWA champion people wanted
Cobra Commander Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 Looking around HistoryOfWWE and I found a trio that worked Japan which would have produced some interesting vignettes if they tried these 3 in WCW: The Nasty Boys and Lord Steven Regal. (A team from July 1994 in New Japan) 1
(BP) Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 The Nasty Boys have a King Ralphesque ascendency to Dukedom, and Regal must give them etiquette and decorum lessons. Along the way Regal picks up Nastyisms the same way normies in Pauly Shore movies start talking about munching on grindage. Laughs abound. 6 2
Phantom Lord Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 I'll have to watch the rest of the show later on demand because I forgot it was on. But I caught the main event. Aldis was a good enough third man for the match for his team.
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: Guessing not the former NWA champion people wanted Who? Dan Severn? 1
odessasteps Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Who? Dan Severn? Mike Rapada 1
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Mike Rapada Tommy Rich had a match like less two weeks ago. Time to wildfire up on some motherfuckers. 4
SirSmUgly Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 But seriously, Tim Storm would have been a legit great reveal in that spot. 2
Cobra Commander Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 During one of the WarGames matches last night, I did think "what crazy stuff would Sabu do in a setup like this"
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