zendragon Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 5 hours ago, Matt D said: The answer's probably Kerry. Lord this gif makes me understand the whole "Warrior died and Kerry replaced him" 4 hours ago, Sublime said: Since posting my fantasy tournament yesterday I’ve realized my true dream tournament would have Toru Yano go through Santino in the first round in a match that was a mix of comedy and them both tapping into their legit ability to throw people. Then in the second round William Regal gets to showcase all of his comedic timing and facials as he’s flummoxed at Yanos antics. And in the finals Yano and Eddie Guerrero (in full Lie, cheat and steal mode) trying to one up each other in stealing the win and set a record for most dusty finishes in one match regardless of who goes over we all win. I still want a match where Orange Cassidy goes for the pockets so Yano does the only thing he can... shrug
zendragon Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 6 hours ago, L_W_P said: Randy Savage becomes the biggest wrestling star of all time. For sure. But then the question is how do you take the belt off of Backlund and on to Randy with no Face/Face matches.
Zakk_Sabbath Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, zendragon said: For sure. But then the question is how do you take the belt off of Backlund and on to Randy with no Face/Face matches. Dumb question, but do you mean other than just using Sheik in the same fashion as what actually happened in '84?
Matt D Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, zendragon said: For sure. But then the question is how do you take the belt off of Backlund and on to Randy with no Face/Face matches.
nate Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 What was so special about the right leg of "Right Leg" Andy Ridge?
zendragon Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Dumb question, but do you mean other than just using Sheik in the same fashion as what actually happened in '84? Sure but do you just bring Randy in as a Face to beat Sheik? Does that work? IMO you had a prefect storm of The Jingoistic 80's for a flag waving Hogan to beat a anti american heel. I don't know if that works for Savage. I like the idea of doing Slaughter v Sheik cause you can do all the flag waving stuff (You could even do so Slaughter v russians or some of Hogan other foes) then transition to Savage. (Could do Heel savage v Slaughter or if the fans demand it turn him face to beat the Sheik) 23 minutes ago, Matt D said: ??? 2
Matt D Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, zendragon said: ??? I forget where I heard this but I did hear that Sheik got the win just because he happened to be the guy wrestling Backlund that week. The month before, Backlund was wrestling Masked Superstar. No reason why it couldn't have been him. Also, in looking at this, there was never a Bill Eadie vs Savage match. Or a Eadie/Savage tag. They only ever interacted in a few battle royals (including two Rumbles). Crazy to think. 3
Dewar Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, nate said: What was so special about the right leg of "Right Leg" Andy Ridge? Well it didn't lead him to winning many matches, so I'm going with nothing special as the answer. 1
zendragon Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Matt D said: I forget where I heard this but I did hear that Sheik got the win just because he happened to be the guy wrestling Backlund that week. The month before, Backlund was wrestling Masked Superstar. No reason why it couldn't have been him. Also, in looking at this, there was never a Bill Eadie vs Savage match. Or a Eadie/Savage tag. They only ever interacted in a few battle royals (including two Rumbles). Crazy to think. That's crazy if true. I've always looked at it as he was the prefect guy, All American boy gets beat by foreign menace and avenged by Hogan. A world where Bill Eadie is a former WWF champ. Of course this opens un another box of worms, If the Masked Superstar get a transitional reign, do we get demolition or does he just stay as MS? 1
Zakk_Sabbath Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, zendragon said: Sure but do you just bring Randy in as a Face to beat Sheik? I'm being a dumbass and forgetting Savage was a heel, that's my bad - long work day. I guess that could work - though now my thought is, why not just go Savage over Backlund directly, and cut out the transitional champ? Unless of course, your second point about the jingo babyface is mandatory - in that case, I think you simply go Backlund -> Sheik -> Sarge, keep most things equal, and get to Slaughter/Savage by WM IV.
DragonZombie Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 I only believe in Philosophical Presentism. 1 1
zendragon Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: I'm being a dumbass and forgetting Savage was a heel, that's my bad - long work day. I guess that could work - though now my thought is, why not just go Savage over Backlund directly, and cut out the transitional champ? Unless of course, your second point about the jingo babyface is mandatory - in that case, I think you simply go Backlund -> Sheik -> Sarge, keep most things equal, and get to Slaughter/Savage by WM IV. New York was always a babyface territory so Savage as a heel isn't going to get a long reign either (and that leaves the question as who is your top babyface? I like Steamboat but to me he's the guy who works with the guy who draws the money not the guy himself) So I could see Backlund drops it to sheik, who feuds with Slaughter, who eventually wins the title and spends some time fighting the russians ect. meanwhile Savage gets built up in the IC scene. Sheik gets the belt back to put over Savage sometime around 86 1
Phantom Lord Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: It might be recency bias because we just watched his DSOTR episode recently, but I think there's for sure a timeline out in the multiverse somewhere where we get national treasure and pop culture icon Dr. D. Dr. D as a babyface would have been amazing stuff for the time period. I think you could have built Wrestlemania on a Piper/Schultz feud. 1
SirSmUgly Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, Phantom Lord said: Dr. D as a babyface would have been amazing stuff for the time period. I think you could have built Wrestlemania on a Piper/Schultz feud. This is an interesting thought. If you drop 1998 Steve Austin into 1985 WWF, is he as big a star, or does the era + the territory's traditional fanbase still having a large influence on the product prevent Austin from being the star that he was thirteen years later. 1
Log Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Just now, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: This is an interesting thought. If you drop 1998 Steve Austin into 1985 WWF, is he as big a star, or does the era + the territory's traditional fanbase still having a large influence on the product prevent Austin from being the star that he was thirteen years later. I don't think it works in 1985. We were still in the "Hooray America! Bigger is better!" Reagan years. Hogan was a perfect storm of right place, right time, right look, right soundbites, right exposure in the mainstream to explode. Austin was the same thing in 1997-98. Both were just reflections of what was popular in America at those specific times. 9
Ultimo Necro Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Goitre said: Hennig manages to spin anti-clockwise after getting hit in the left side of the face...try it at home. Maybe that match was taped in the southern hemisphere? 1 7
SirSmUgly Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Log said: I don't think it works in 1985. We were still in the "Hooray America! Bigger is better!" Reagan years. Hogan was a perfect storm of right place, right time, right look, right soundbites, right exposure in the mainstream to explode. Austin was the same thing in 1997-98. Both were just reflections of what was popular in America at those specific times. This seems about right. I love the idea of Dr. D-as-Austin being a massive babyface in 1985, but it probably wouldn't have happened. 1
The Comedian Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Bad News Brown basically was Austin in 80's WWF. Bald, plain black trunked badass who didn't like the faces or the heels. 8
The Great ML Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, Ultimo Necro said: Maybe that match was taped in the southern hemisphere? South side of the Philly Spectrum? 1
zendragon Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: This is an interesting thought. If you drop 1998 Steve Austin into 1985 WWF, is he as big a star, or does the era + the territory's traditional fanbase still having a large influence on the product prevent Austin from being the star that he was thirteen years later. I see him being a heel ala Piper, probably working against Hogan or on the B tour. I don't see him getting a face run as the companies ace 1
Wyld Samurai Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Austin would have been a bigger heel than Piper. He would have absolutely lived every second of that. Vince woukd have absolutely put him in a cowboy hat though. He woukd have looked like a bald Black Bart. 2
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 I think the question isn't quite accurate as Hogan left the AWA of his own accord because Verne fucked him on t-shirt money and the title run. If Hogan goes to Japan full time, or Crockett instead, it probably delays the inevitable arrival. If he stays with Verne - it probably just means that Vince continues to actively raid the AWA post the initial poaching of Heenan, Ventura, Okerlund and Hogan instead of just passively allowing him to rot/fucking him on the TV syndication markets instead. It's probably worth noting that Hogan wrestled his last AWA date on 14/11/83. He's working shows for Vince a month later, and is WWF champion barely two months later. New York worked around Hogan's availability and want to leave Verne, rather than Hogan being right place right time. The most likely outcome here is that the Sheik either gets a longer run with it, or he exchanges it back and forth with one of the other mentioned guys before Hogan eventually takes it maybe a year later? 3
Zakk_Sabbath Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: This is an interesting thought. If you drop 1998 Steve Austin into 1985 WWF, is he as big a star, or does the era + the territory's traditional fanbase still having a large influence on the product prevent Austin from being the star that he was thirteen years later. I think he's a lesser star, but a top heel - if he's the fully formed 'Stone Cold' character in this scenario. @Log is right - Austin probably doesn't print money like Hogan does in that era as a babyface, but he damn sure draws a shitload of big houses working against Hogan. I totally see where your heads at, but Schultz also wasn't around long enough for some of the truly goofy shit to come later on. There's a non-zero chance that Vince gets one listen at Austin's accents and puts him in a cowboy hat or a pair of overalls Edit: damn, I should've refreshed the page, @zendragon and @Wyld Samurai beat me to these points by an hour, cowboy hat and all. My bad! Edited December 1, 2022 by Zakk_Sabbath 1
Dewar Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: This seems about right. I love the idea of Dr. D-as-Austin being a massive babyface in 1985, but it probably wouldn't have happened. Dr. D did the trash talking babyface character in Stampede. I think he could have pulled it off in the WWF as well. 1
Infinit Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said: I think the question isn't quite accurate as Hogan left the AWA of his own accord because Verne fucked him on t-shirt money and the title run. If Hogan goes to Japan full time, or Crockett instead, it probably delays the inevitable arrival. If he stays with Verne - it probably just means that Vince continues to actively raid the AWA post the initial poaching of Heenan, Ventura, Okerlund and Hogan instead of just passively allowing him to rot/fucking him on the TV syndication markets instead. It's probably worth noting that Hogan wrestled his last AWA date on 14/11/83. He's working shows for Vince a month later, and is WWF champion barely two months later. New York worked around Hogan's availability and want to leave Verne, rather than Hogan being right place right time. The most likely outcome here is that the Sheik either gets a longer run with it, or he exchanges it back and forth with one of the other mentioned guys before Hogan eventually takes it maybe a year later? If Hogan goes to Crockett instead of Vince, imagine Dusty coming to New York to be Vince's babyface ace. Edited December 1, 2022 by Infinit 2
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