AxB Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 If Fenix, instead of pulling Mox up and giving him a second Rikishi Driver, had jumped to the top rope and Frog Splashed him (in that “landing entirely on my knees and elbows without actually touching the guy I’m doing the move to” way), would we be calling him a genius right now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 In retrospect, it would’ve been pretty easy for Fenix to just get up and shove Knox for not making the count so he’d get DQ’d. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Hindsight being what it is, considering that the initial concussion happened on the pre-match dive, they could easily have called it right there for injury without having to do a DQ or a belt switch or anything. Just say "Mox was injured before the match started, therefore it's a no contest and the belt stays with Mox". Of course, then you have A LOT of time to fill with the women's match and the main event. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryArchieGus Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Human beings make mistakes. Sure, Rick Knox has made a few more than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 From the outside, it seems like these questions or similar ones are asked every time there's been an injury. Injury protocol should be a top priority. Did that banned/need approval moves list include anything about injury contingencies? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 And see, I was thinking when all the refs and medical came to check on MJF after the apron DVD "aren't they not supposed to fake or play up serious injuries anymore?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 56 minutes ago, AxB said: If Fenix, instead of pulling Mox up and giving him a second Rikishi Driver, had jumped to the top rope and Frog Splashed him (in that “landing entirely on my knees and elbows without actually touching the guy I’m doing the move to” way), would we be calling him a genius right now? No, because the impact on any part of the body or the movement from the ring shaking underneath him is still not ideal if you suspect someone has a serious neck injury. Watching it back, it seems like Rick Knox is most at fault for just not counting through the pin. That would've avoided everything else. Fenix, while not being a medical expert of any kind, still deserves some blame. I think a point should be made to all wrestlers and refs that in a shoot injury situation, you just eat the botchamania moment and end the match no matter how bad it looks live. Video can be edited, and fans will forgive for a real injury. Protecting the workers has to come before protecting the business. With that said, I think not enough is being made of the fact that Mox was obviously concussed on the initial dive. Someone should spot that and end the match right then and there. There's no way you could watch the immediate aftermath of that and think that Mox was ok. With all those guys in the building for Rampage, filling the extra TV time is easy, and Mox working an angle that parallels his angle with Hangman with the roles reversed practically writes itself once he's healed up. If TK is right there in gorilla, he needs to not be afraid to call some audibles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, (BP) said: In retrospect, it would’ve been pretty easy for Fenix to just get up and shove Knox for not making the count so he’d get DQ’d. has AEW called a double digit number of DQs in their entire history? also, even before the finish, wouldn't Moxley be in the sort of condition where if he was retaining the title over Fenix, wouldn't they have to just vacate the title because this probably isn't a quick concussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSC Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Natural said: https://twitter.com/cozysuperkick/status/1704711455226896406 I think this was worse than the finish, the match never should have even made it that far - go watch the minute after that dive and it's clear as day that Mox was out of it right in the middle of the ring and before that outside couldn't even stand. He does that kind of weird selling that always makes you question, but this was totally different. I noticed it in real time and rewound back to it see what might have gotten him and it was obvious it was the dive - how no one noticed that and stepped in at that point I have no idea. Edited September 21, 2023 by CSC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Cobra Commander said: wouldn't they have to just vacate the title because this probably isn't a quick concussion? It’s been a week since AEW has had a tournament, so we’re due for one anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, CSC said: I think this was worse than the finish, the match never should have even made it that far - go watch the minute after that dive and it's clear as day that Mox was out of it right in the middle of the ring. I noticed it in real time and rewound back to it see what might have gotten him and it was obvious it was the dive - how no one notched that and stepped in at that point I have no idea. I thought one of the most unnerving parts of the whole match was Fenix trying to roll Mox into the ring and Mox floundering on the apron like he didn’t know what he was supposed to be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, (BP) said: It’s been a week since AEW has had a tournament, so we’re due for one anyway. a tournament of casino battle royals where the winners of the first round of battle royals go into another battle royal Aside from the whole concussion and disregard for personal safety thing, having Fenix beat Moxley for a title in the middle of a show has some upside. For one having that title change could create some reasonable doubt about if a title will be retained for all the other televised title matches which aren't in a main event. Just don't book it like the TNT title or 1999 WWF? Also gotta differentiate the Fenix change from the Claudio/Kingston match where title vs title kinda implies that one of the titles is changing hands or the free TV tournament finals or whatever. Coincidentally, quite a few of the most prominent free TV title changes involved Moxley winning or losing. Omega winning the world title, the changes last Summer, so on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 although for the sake of safety, calling a stoppage instead of a second headdrop would have been better even if it opens the door to yet another tournament since a stoppage isn't a pinfall or submission and Moxley is unable to defend the title or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian_Waffle Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 It's also not like there is no very recent precedent for handling these incidents well. Moxley himself just backed away from Hangman when he got knocked out, and Jay White couldn't cover Adam Cole fast enough and end the match without any further bumps when he realized he was KO'd. What's doubly frustrating is that logic would dictate these are intuitive reactions -- something's broken so I better not touch it/something's on fire so I better put it out and then we can assess the damage. Not "the pile of burning family photos just told me to add some more gasoline before putting them out because the fire looks cooler that way so I guess I better do what it says." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 hours ago, The Natural said: Knox and Fenix royally fucked up. I'm still hot at both. Indefensible. Knox fucked up. What did Fenix do wrong? He was working a match with someone who changed the finish on him. He was just rolling with the punches. I know the drivers looked rough, but all reports are neither one did any damage to Mox. It was him bouncing his head on the floor catching a dive. Piledrivers are a work. The head doesn't hit. He was doing what was called to him by Mox. Now if you're saying you're hot at them for continuing the match and not stopping, fair play. But in that case how do you think Mox reacts? Noted tough guy who prides himself on being gritty. If Fenix tried to force the match stoped that's gonna get heat from Mox. Another thing no one has considered is the language barrier. Fenix speaks English but it's not fluent. By all accounts Mox was rolling with the match script as is, he just told Knox to keep counting on something he was supposed to kick out of. It's a weird thing that never gets talked about. But laying out a match with a language barrier is not that difficult. There's usually someone who can help interpret. Wrestling names are generally the same across all language. But once you get in that ring that communication isn't really as prevalent. Like if you call Clothesline, dude is gonna know what that is. But if you call hey Fenix I'm hurt let's go home... how much of that is he truly going to understand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I can understand why they might not want to ask like Fenix doesn't understand any English but I'd think that Fenix's manager would be an emergency option to get a point across in Spanish that might not be getting across in English? and also having it be communication without it looking too weird on-screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo joe Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 That was by far Saraya’s best match in AEW and I attribute that entirely to the crowd being super into Toni’s act. Which begs the question “Why didn’t Toni go over?” The answer to which, I assume is, “Because Hayter’s coming back and they want her to beat a heel” 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Toni doesn't need the belt for her gimmick to work. Saraya is a fine heel champ who wrestles sparingly, in contrast to Stat who is doing the babyface workhorse thing with the other belt. Plus, it won't hurt to have either Mercedes or Hayter go over Saraya quickly. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Not a lot to say but I loved the Paul Turner "bump" at the end of the MJF match. I also wish MJF would pick up a new goofy move for each feud like the Kangaroo Kick though he wouldn't have to do all of them in every match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Noted tough guy who prides himself on being gritty. If Fenix tried to force the match stoped that's gonna get heat from Mox. This is like the time Danielson got hot at HHH for stopping a match where Danielson's arm came out of his socket and the majority of posters were on Danielson's side there. Or the time when Sin Cara broke his finger and wanted to go home and the now noted piece of shit Alberto Del Rio shot on him, and the majority of fans sided with Del Rio. Funny how we're always on the wrong side because we're romanticizing old school macho bullshit. We're no better than Undertaker talking about crusty old men sorting out their issues with pistols and how today's wrestlers are soft because they're not stabbing each other over perceived slights. Don't put this shit in the hands of wrestlers, who are wrapped up in tough guy bullshit. Don't put this shit in the hands of refs, who are not medical doctors. Just put a fucking doctor at ringside, one who knows the signs of possible concussion instead of some musclehead "doctor" whose doctorate is probably in kineseology or some bullshit. Not to shit on Doctor Sampson but if your company's head doc has bigger arms than a good deal of your workers, something's wrong. Edited September 22, 2023 by Technico Support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo joe Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 56 minutes ago, Go2Sleep said: Toni doesn't need the belt for her gimmick to work. Saraya is a fine heel champ who wrestles sparingly, in contrast to Stat who is doing the babyface workhorse thing with the other belt. Plus, it won't hurt to have either Mercedes or Hayter go over Saraya quickly. I get it, I’ve just never liked the idea of someone “not needing” the belt to be over. The belt should be on the most over wrestler. That’s what the belt’s for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Technico Support said: Doctor Sampson Goddammit, you just had to do it. Spoiler 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: Goddammit, you just had to do it. Reveal hidden contents I am Sampsan Edited September 22, 2023 by Gordlow 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 That video is clearly for after you've talked to Sampson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 does this Doc Sampson have green hair? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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