All Out IV - 9/4/2022

[SturmCRF]

Bobby Fish immediately going to 'God-fearing' when listing the Bucks' good qualities gives me the heebie jeebies and brings to mind Drake Younger's leering, bigoted orange face. No ever really refuted the rumours that Fish was also a QAnon C.H.U.D, did they?

[Hamhock]

At this point, they should start Dynamite with an homage to the opening of Rashomon and have some random-selected wrestlers telling each other overlapping/conflicting stories of the chain of events that led to Nick Jackson getting KTFO'd.

[Firebreaker Chip]

3 minutes ago, SturmCRF said:

Bobby Fish immediately going to 'God-fearing' when listing the Bucks' good qualities gives me the heebie jeebies and brings to mind Drake Younger's leering, bigoted orange face. No ever really refuted the rumours that Fish was also a QAnon C.H.U.D, did they?

No, I think some people decided he must have just donated to that stuff by accident because they were enjoying his work at the time

[Jiji]

Latest from Fightful. More we hear, the likelier it sounds to me that Punk is done. 

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A ton of news, backstage reactions to Punk/Elite situation
The latest on CM Punk, Ace Steel, Young Bucks and Kenny Omega.

It was confirmed to us that Ace Steel bit Kenny Omega, CM Punk threw punches, and a chair hit Nick Jackson in the eye. However, there are conflicting views on who started it. Some we spoke with believed that Punk should have expected to be confronted after the things he said. Another person said that Omega and Young Bucks aggressively approached the locker room in what Punk could have construed as a 3-on-1 attack. We're told that the situation went on for "about six minutes," with Brandon Cutler, Christopher Daniels and Pat Buck trying to diffuse the situation.

Thus far, none of the roster or media we've reached out to have admitted to hearing from Tony Khan since the melee happened. We were told by another person high up in the company to not expect to hear much officially in the day that followed due to possible legal issues. Fightful heard back from Hoffman Estates Police Department, who said "Hoffman States Police Department does not have any police reports, nor any documentation that police were requested, during AEW All Out event for anything that allegedly occurred backstage. The only police response at the event was regarding a family issue in the audience."

Almost unanimously, the talent that we've spoken to haven't been in favor of the way CM Punk handled things at all that evening. Even talent that typically would back Punk up either said that's not what they would have done, or haven't commented to us. 

We have heard the rumors of Punk sustaining an injury during the melee. The rumor has been echoed as "heard of" from people in the company, but we've not confirmed this. 

There are several wrestlers who are not sure of their creative for Wednesday's AEW Dynamite as a result of this. Several longtime AEW stars said they don't understand how Punk couldn't be let go after this. 

After we spoke on the Fightful post show about talent taking issue in the past about Hangman Page for working stiff, several readers tried to tie the two situations. We haven't heard of any connection, and we were told last year that Arn Anderson spoke with Page and let him know to lighten up. Page, even then, was generally well liked outside of that situation that saw a couple of wrestlers end up injured. We're told that wasn't connected to this, and that most thought Hangman Page and CM Punk got along well until this Spring.

There is some sympathy as it relates to MJF's return for some, but everyone was generally left in the dark regarding MJF's status for months and said it mirrored that of Punk winning the title in Vegas, and Wardlow beating him, but everyone speaking about MJF. Those we spoke to had not heard of any heat between MJF and Punk prior to Punk basically mentioning MJF as one of the stubborn kids he had to work with. 

Re: Fish, he filmed himself giving groceries to a homeless person to put himself over. That is scumbag material and a huge red flag so nothing surprised me after that. 

[porksweats]

Moving on from all of this fallout and back to the event itself.

 

Who was the night's MVP?

Who was the night's LVP?

 

Edit: please stick to matches, not all this hooplah after

Edited September 6, 2022 by porksweats

[EVA]

I would LOVE to know what it looks like to be “aggressively” approached by the Young Bucks. The knock on those guys their whole career has been that they don’t look like they could hurt a fly, but yet they’ve got CM Punk and Ace Steel fighting for their lives on sight.

[Sammo~!]

1 minute ago, porksweats said:

Moving on from all of this fallout and back to the event itself.

 

Who was the night's MVP?

Who was the night's LVP?

 

Edit: please stick to matches, not all this hooplah after

MVP was The Acclaimed 

LVP was...I dunno Sammy Guevara for almost killing Ruby twice?

[chriskbrown50]

2 minutes ago, porksweats said:

Moving on from all of this fallout and back to the event itself.

 

Who was the night's MVP?

Who was the night's LVP?

 

Edit: please stick to matches, not all this hooplah after

Tag match

LVP - Athena/Jade - tried too hard? 

[Firebreaker Chip]

Did anybody not picture Brandon Cutler trying to defuse the situation by capering around ineffectually in a zubaz jumpsuit spraying deep freeze in the air wildly

[Sammo~!]

Also I rewatched Acclaimed vs SioG and Pinnacle vs TNA and I really want a Cash Wheeler/Alex Shelley singles match now 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Sammo~!

[Overly Critical Man]

10 minutes ago, Jiji said:

 

Re: Fish, he filmed himself giving groceries to a homeless person to put himself over. That is scumbag material and a huge red flag so nothing surprised me after that. 

Yeah, anyone who helps the homeless shouldn’t be trusted. 

[Jiji]

Just now, Overly Critical Man said:

Yeah, anyone who helps the homeless shouldn’t be trusted. 

Man, fuck you. 

[For Great Justice]

Another awesome thing we aren’t talking about because of all this: we appear to be on the road to Wardlow/Hobbs, and soon

[porksweats]

1 minute ago, For Great Justice said:

Another awesome thing we aren’t talking about because of all this: we appear to be on the road to Wardlow/Hobbs, and soon

That is definitely something we should be talking about.

[Craig H]

Nothing in that screams Punk is going to be let go. If anything, this still sounds like the dumb as fuck "wrestling journalism" that is fanboys chasing their tails, clout chasing, or trying to type the most interesting wordz to get more attention than someone else. 

Also, no part of me thinks this is a work. If I were to guess, Steel gets released because he fucking bit someone and threw a chair at someone else and he's not even a worker there. Punk, the Bucks, and maybe even Kenny get pulled into a meeting with TK and maybe Jericho too where they're told enough is fucking enough and this bullshit isn't going to happen again. Top wrestlers having been throwing hands at each other for what feels like forever now. Having Jericho be in the meeting would just be for funny irony purposes considering the amount of other wrestlers he's fought over the years. No suspensions, just a final warning that this bullshit can't continue. Punk gets told to never to go off on that in a scrum ever again and if he wants to talk about that shit then do it on his own time. The Bucks get told to stop doing their cutesy bullshit in BTE to not fan the flames.

Everyone needs to get over the "but but but but he got into a fight with his bosses!" Nick and Matt aren't his bosses. The EVP designation is fucking meaningless. TK probably regrets the designation at this point. 

[TheVileOne]

Miro just went into business for himself.

 

[John from Cincinnati]

In case anyone's wondering why they're looking at a Miro tweet from May, he just retweeted it.

[A_K]

22 minutes ago, Jiji said:

"Fightful heard back from Hoffman Estates Police Department, who said "Hoffman States Police Department does not have any police reports, nor any documentation that police were requested, during AEW All Out event for anything that allegedly occurred backstage. The only police response at the event was regarding a family issue in the audience."

Dog the Bounty Hunter back in play 

[Big Z]

11 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Nothing in that screams Punk is going to be let go. If anything, this still sounds like the dumb as fuck "wrestling journalism" that is fanboys chasing their tails, clout chasing, or trying to type the most interesting wordz to get more attention than someone else. 

Also, no part of me thinks this is a work. If I were to guess, Steel gets released because he fucking bit someone and threw a chair at someone else and he's not even a worker there. Punk, the Bucks, and maybe even Kenny get pulled into a meeting with TK and maybe Jericho too where they're told enough is fucking enough and this bullshit isn't going to happen again. Top wrestlers having been throwing hands at each other for what feels like forever now. Having Jericho be in the meeting would just be for funny irony purposes considering the amount of other wrestlers he's fought over the years. No suspensions, just a final warning that this bullshit can't continue. Punk gets told to never to go off on that in a scrum ever again and if he wants to talk about that shit then do it on his own time. The Bucks get told to stop doing their cutesy bullshit in BTE to not fan the flames.

Everyone needs to get over the "but but but but he got into a fight with his bosses!" Nick and Matt aren't his bosses. The EVP designation is fucking meaningless. TK probably regrets the designation at this point. 

Kind of hard to believe the start of paragraph two there if you believe that paragraph one is true (which I think is very accurate, particular SRS, who may as well have a degree in shit stirring at this point). If Steel did a tenth of what is being "reported", police would have actually been called in. Now, I'll cop that something likely happened backstage after Punk's media scrum (though I sure wouldn't want to bet my life on it), but I'd guess it was much more to level of bench clearing brawl in baseball where there is little actual violence, and not the salacious street fight that the gossip sites have been peddling.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Big Z
Grammar

[Jiji]

How do you not take any action after you suspended Kingston for pie facing Guevara recently? Yeah, you got to fill Arthur Ashe but that would be brutal. Punk already showed zero respect for his employer for putting him in an incredibly awkward situation. If Khan asks him to move on, you think worked up Punk listens? If Khan shuts the scrum down you don't think Punk would just keep ranting off stream to the journalists? 

Sapp, Meltzer, and Alvarez have all denied Elite guys leaking the Cabana rumours to them specifically and I believe Sapp was the one that broke that story. Maybe they were the ones that threw it out there among talent but they didn't leak it to those three. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Jiji

[A_K]

Just now, Big Z said:

If Steel did a tenth of what is being "reported", police would have actually been called in. 

Meltzer says he saw a policeman. So someone is telling porkies 

[Greggulator]

The "legal stuff" is interesting. Who knows WTF that means but it feels like they're going over contracts about firing people for these types of things and whether or not they have to pay someone or how much someone wants to get paid to walk away. Or a disorganized mess of a wrestling company might have poorly drafted contracts believing their own sh*t that they would always run a company like family. 

[Greggulator]

1 minute ago, A_K said:

Meltzer says he saw a policeman. So someone is telling porkies 

Off-shift police acting as security but still wearing a cop uniform is pretty standard at public events. 

[Hamhock]

Now I really wish Ray Traylor was still alive; imagine Dynamite opening with all involved parties being called to the ring, and then Tony K. announces to them all that "starting now, there's going to be some Law and Order around AEW!", whereupon "Hard Times" (which has amazingly somehow been licensed to AEW) begins playing on the PA, and Old Man Traylor comes out in the original Big Bossman outfit and begins clubbering everyone in the ring into unconsciousness with his nightstick. Cutler tries macing him with his cold air cannister, but Bossman does that crescent/wheel-kick thingie move and knocks it out of his hand.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Hamhock

[A_K]

4 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

Off-shift police acting as security but still wearing a cop uniform is pretty standard at public events. 

Privately commissioned police offers wearing state uniform at a private security detail engagement? What? I'll need some real examples of that please  

Police department have said there was no issue. Obviously bringing the State police as accomplices into the work was a step too far 

Edited September 6, 2022 by A_K