odessasteps Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Yeah. To me, that felt like a swerve. But I am in the camp that thinks it's all a misdirection. Did we mention the artwork in Eleanor's apartment that people think are teasing Madame Masque? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Eleanor being Madame Masque jives a bit with calling the Contessa to sic Yelena on Clint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Spoiler culture is out of control. Leave Florence Pugh alone. It's not like anyone who's online enough to complain didn't already know she was showing up soon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, Raziel said: Eleanor being Madame Masque jives a bit with calling the Contessa to sic Yelena on Clint. I would not be OK with making Eleanor Madame Masque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 12 hours ago, odessasteps said: I hate the people that enjoy the same things as I do. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 12:01 AM, JonnyLaw said: My gut with the watch is that it’s tied to Steve Rogers, specifically somehow Old Man Cap. Dammmmmn, that's a good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Why would the big man in charge want Old Man Steve’s watch, though? Presumably if it’s his, there’s nothing special about it, right? I’ve read some other theories and now my answer(s) have changed to either Laura/Mockingbird, Fury or Hank Pym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheVileOne Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 14 hours ago, Casey said: Why would the big man in charge want Old Man Steve’s watch, though? Presumably if it’s his, there’s nothing special about it, right? I’ve read some other theories and now my answer(s) have changed to either Laura/Mockingbird, Fury or Hank Pym. Well the watch was confiscated at Avengers compound ground zero. So old Steve leaving a Rolex there...it doesn't make sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Would Steve even have a Rolex, even an Avengers one? He would have Tony market him an Avengers Timex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Would Steve even have a Rolex, even an Avengers one? He would have Tony market him an Avengers Timex. Sure. Plenty of soldiers brought them back from Europe after WW2. I think it's probably something more prosaic and the watch somehow connects Barton to Ronin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 For the record, Old Steve was just my initial gut impression while watching the episode, when he was talking about a friend in hiding who wouldn’t want to be found or whatever it was. It makes much more sense that it’s somehow connected to Clint/his wife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 It's always the path of least resistance on these shows, except for when it's Kang. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 The only two people that we know of for sure that are in hiding are his wife (from Age of Ultron) and Nick Fury (from Far From Home). Either is likely, but one does have a show coming up on Disney+ next year… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Casey said: The only two people that we know of for sure that are in hiding are his wife (from Age of Ultron) and Nick Fury (from Far From Home). Either is likely, but one does have a show coming up on Disney+ next year… Fury is off planet and doesn't really need protection from a bunch of Keystone Cops impressionists who listen to Imagine Dragons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) Just watched episode 5... Kingpin played by Vincent D'Onofrio! Fuck yeah! Edited December 15, 2021 by The Natural 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) Episode 5: Yelena Belova frees a Black Widow from subjugation but gets blipped to the same spot five years later saying she needs to let Natasha Romanov know she's alright not knowing Natasha's fate. There's a great sequence between Yelena Belova and Kate Bishop as the former tells her Clint isn't what he seems and she's going to kill him. Liked the scene when Clint talks to Nat at the plaque where the Avengers formed at the Battle of New York. Clint dons the Ronin garb and warns Echo away from his family or else. Yelena trails Eleanor and texts her the photo of Eleanor with the Kingpin thinking she should know. Clint says that's the guy he's worried about. Edited December 15, 2021 by The Natural 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 That episode sucked. What an underwhelming, anticlimactic reveal. That's not how you reintroduce Kingpin/Vincent D'Onofrio. Total crap. Mega crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 One thing is for sure: if VileOne hates it, I usually love it. What a weird opinion. I loved the 2018 opening with Yelena. Kate and Yelena are gold together on screen, too. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: That episode sucked. What an underwhelming, anticlimactic reveal. That's not how you reintroduce Kingpin/Vincent D'Onofrio. Total crap. Mega crap. Couldn't resist. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, The Natural said: Episode 5: Yelena Belova frees a Black Widow from subjugation but gets blipped to the same spot five years later saying she needs to let Natasha Romanov know she's alright not knowing Natasha's fate. There's a great sequence between Yelena Belova and Kate Bishop as the former tells her Clint isn't what he seems and she's going to kill him. Liked the scene when Clint talks to Nat at the plaque where the Avengers formed at the Battle of New York. Clint dons the Ronin garb and warns Echo away from his family or else. Yelena trails Eleanor and texts her the photo of Eleanor with the Kingpin thinking she should know. Clint says that's the guy he's worried about. 1. Why go through all that with his wife on the phone, put the Ronin costume back on, not kill anyone of the Tracksuit goons and still let Maya live? Not to mention reveal his identity as Ronin which they still didn't know about. Would've made more sense if he attempted to kill Maya but Kate stopped him from going too far. 2. Who the frell has the frelling watch now? Did Kate not grab it in the last episode? 3. If you're Ronin and your family is gone and you have nothing left to live for and you are targeting mob bosses and the criminal underworld, why do you leave Kingpin be during the Blip? Why do you not cut the head off the snake? 4. Kingpin clearly wanted Ronin to get rid of the Tracksuit Mafia goons because they're an embarrassment to him and he can't stand the sight of them. They operated out of a derelict KB Toys. Edited December 15, 2021 by TheVileOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 54 minutes ago, The Natural said: Just watched episode 5... Kingpin played by Vincent D'Onofrio! Fuck yeah! That blurry photo wouldn't even hold up in court. It looks like discount mall santa Kingpin. "Mr. Fisk, is this you?" "I've made mistakes in the years since I was a boy. I tried to learn from them, but it isn't always enough." "Alright then." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I'll be goddamn. They did the thing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) Spoiler You know, it's almost like they timed this with a movie coming out this week that might just have yet another returning Netflix character... Hmmmmmmm Potential spoilers for a movie, and I did not realize those emojis would be so gigantic... Edited December 15, 2021 by christopher.annino 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Bones Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 What a great scene of Yelena in the bathroom. Showing the blip as an experience on both sides was kinda nutty. Finally! Getting the Kingpin back is great. First and foremost, I just didn’t want to collapse of the Netflix Marvel stuff to go to waste. D’onofrio’s performance in season 1 of Daredevil is one of my favorites ever. So to say I marked out at the reveal is an understatement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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