OSJ Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 hours ago, J.T. said: Nothing can beat the Hand of Fate. Is that like Dr. Fate's hand? If so, where is the rest of the good doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) I think it's disingenous to call this a "SAW" type of movie/villain from what we've seen when it's much more noir/Fincher inspired. Calling it that is an attempt to devalue what Reeves is going for and I like the first SAW a lot. The villain plays games, sure. That's where the comparison ends. Edited August 23, 2020 by Niners Fan in CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, OSJ said: Is that like Dr. Fate's hand? If so, where is the rest of the good doctor? It's a computerized glider thing in a maze that Riddler used to swoop in and carry people off. DCAU didn't get around to Doctor Fate until years later in Superman: The Animated Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) If you want to compare it to Fincher, then I'd prefer Riddler not be ike John Doe in Seven or the Zodiac Killer. Edited August 23, 2020 by odessasteps 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, odessasteps said: If you want to compare it to Fincher, then I'd prefer Riddler not be ike John Doe in Seven or the Zodiac Killer. That's fair but you're not generally happy with any choices that are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Just now, Niners Fan in CT said: That's fair but you're not generally happy with any choices that are made. True. Ive definitely grown more ... particular ... with age. That said, I was all in with praise for Archive, even if I seemingly couldn't get anyone here to watch it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Jiji said: Do you mind elaborating? I'm interested in your thoughts on this. To be more serious: in all honesty, I’m just burnt out on superhero films. I’m sure I’ll watch some more of them, but this one ain’t gonna entice me. Maybe the next Thor? More specifically, the aesthetics of the trailer don’t do anything for me. It’s clear, as stated, that he’s going for a Fincher-esque vibe. I dunno: gritty reimagining of what was already the most humourless film franchise isn’t something I need. And, sure, let’s say “philosophically,” after a summer of seeing the need for communal action and watching the police wage war against their own citizens, I’m just not in the mood for vigilante violence. I bet Derek Chauvin thought he was the fuckin Batman when he put his uniform on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Control said: To be more serious: in all honesty, I’m just burnt out on superhero films. I’m sure I’ll watch some more of them, but this one ain’t gonna entice me. Maybe the next Thor? More specifically, the aesthetics of the trailer don’t do anything for me. It’s clear, as stated, that he’s going for a Fincher-esque vibe. I dunno: gritty reimagining of what was already the most humourless film franchise isn’t something I need. And, sure, let’s say “philosophically,” after a summer of seeing the need for communal action and watching the police wage war against their own citizens, I’m just not in the mood for vigilante violence. I bet Derek Chauvin thought he was the fuckin Batman when he put his uniform on. Maybe that's why I'm so excited for this. I haven't seen a super hero movie since the last Spider-Man reboot and it was perfectly fine, helped mostly by Michael Keaton. Before that, I don't even remember. Probably the last Nolan Batman movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Control said: To be more serious: in all honesty, I’m just burnt out on superhero films. I’m sure I’ll watch some more of them, but this one ain’t gonna entice me. Maybe the next Thor? More specifically, the aesthetics of the trailer don’t do anything for me. It’s clear, as stated, that he’s going for a Fincher-esque vibe. I dunno: gritty reimagining of what was already the most humourless film franchise isn’t something I need. And, sure, let’s say “philosophically,” after a summer of seeing the need for communal action and watching the police wage war against their own citizens, I’m just not in the mood for vigilante violence. I bet Derek Chauvin thought he was the fuckin Batman when he put his uniform on. Sit through "Watchmen" again, that'll fix you right up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 So did everyone miss the bits in Avengers where Tony Stark was talking about how he was revolutionising the affordable energy industry? It's not like the first time you see him in the movie he's building a massive Arc Reactor to power all of New York City or anything, after all. Also, Superheroism is fundamentally Marxist. From each according to their means, to each according to their needs. If you're about to be hit by a bus, but I have the power to stop it hitting you, I should and will. It's super villains who are the fascists. Well, them and The Punisher and the other anti-hero heroes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I think it's disingenous to call this a "SAW" type of movie/villain from what we've seen when it's much more noir/Fincher inspired. Calling it that is an attempt to devalue what Reeves is going for and I like the first SAW a lot. The villain plays games, sure. That's where the comparison ends. It's not like Saw invented the whole death trap horror scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, AxB said: So did everyone miss the bits in Avengers where Tony Stark was talking about how he was revolutionising the affordable energy industry? It's not like the first time you see him in the movie he's building a massive Arc Reactor to power all of New York City or anything, after all. Also, Superheroism is fundamentally Marxist. From each according to their means, to each according to their needs. If you're about to be hit by a bus, but I have the power to stop it hitting you, I should and will. It's super villains who are the fascists. Well, them and The Punisher and the other anti-hero heroes. What's Marxist about Tony wanting to violate ethics by building an omniscient AI program to protect the world, even at the risk of personal freedoms? Without oversight or approvals but anyone other than himself? And then he gifts Peter with a freaking death satellite that has the power to wipe out entire nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 He has a Messiah Complex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: It's not like Saw invented the whole death trap horror scenario. The first time I saw it was in Die Hard with a Vengeance. Simon Gruber inspired all these fuckers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 "Superheroes don't kill people, they save people" - Stan Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I presume death traps in fiction go back at least as far as Poe. My English class on horror was almost 30 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) Poe's The Pit & The Pendulum is the first instance most people recall where a death trap is being used as a plot device in horror, but William Munford's The Iron Shroud predates it by about a decade. Edited August 24, 2020 by J.T. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 hours ago, odessasteps said: I presume death traps in fiction go back at least as far as Poe. I'm not big on the new Star Wars, sorry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) Late to the party, but I did really love the look of The Batman from that trailer alone. It reminded me of how The Crow looked like the 90’s rock videos of the time. I’m guessing the reason everything is in the pitch black look throughout the trailer is because it’s adapting Batman: Year Zero, and it’s the only way a riddle based villain stands a chance against Google backed superhero by taking out an entire cities power grid. Edited August 24, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLSigman Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Jiji said: Do you mind elaborating? I'm interested in your thoughts on this. In my opinion, there's still way too much "Dark Knight" and not enough "World's Greatest Detective". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) We’ll see how it works out. There is a lot of mystery to this trailer. In tone at least, since we know who the villain will be. But Riddler does present that puzzle like challenge for a storyteller. I wonder how the look of these films will turn out with the next film. In the comics Scott Snyder’s take on Gotham is that there is a huge shift in the world after the big blackout. Gotham is much more grounded, and modern, but then following the events that take place in Year Zero the world of Batman becomes the Gotham we all know. Edited August 24, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Listen, it’s obvious that instead of a rehash of previously featured villains, they could have used the technology to bring Vincent Price’s Eggman back to the screen. I mean, the CGI Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One? Convincing and flawless. Step up your game, DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) Oh man, I remember, years ago as a goof, I pitched a grim and gritty reimagining of Egghead and Olga to a friend. I wish I remembered all of it. I think I made them genius siblings, but he suffered a horrible TBI or something (his head cracked like an egg!) and to save his life she had to give him that giant, reinforced cranium but he was left severely mentally impaired. He was basically like a Frankenstein monster that did her evil bidding. I forget the particulars of their tragic backstory, though. I feel like Olga blamed Bruce Wayne for the political/economic crisis in Bressarovia that led to Egghead’s injury or some dumb shit. Oh, to be young and have that much free time on my hands. Edited August 24, 2020 by EVA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) If you can’t have egg puns, then why bother. That’s literally all that character is good for. It feels like if the Riddler isn’t done now, then we’ll never get another opportunity with the ever changing technological world. So I’m happy they are tackling the character. Side note: Maybe it’s not the Riddler. I was thinking with the way he’s masked his face we could be seeing a fake-out with his real identity. Edited August 24, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Cool shot to end The Batman trailer with. First time Bruce Wayne/Batman takes his cowl off and you see the black eye paint. In past films it either disappears as the cowl's removed (Batman Returns, 1992) or has his back to the camera (Batman Begins, 2005). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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