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AEW Dynamite - 11/13/2019

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7 minutes ago, Ace said:

... Since always. How do you declare a winner if you disqualify only one of three people?

I believe that's called a no contest.  Stating no DQ in three ways presents all kinds of logic holes.    

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My thoughts on the Dynamite: 

This reminded of old Raws after PPV where new feuds begin and familiar ones thicken.

How long was Kenny on TV for? a minute? He furthered a lot of things in very little time. Asking about Moxley immediately after hearing he wasn’t cleared. This whole thing is far from over. They are gonna destroy it when they have a “real” match that “matters”.

Moxely unchained is great. That dude kicked Kenny’s pal’s ass then cuts that impassioned promo challenging who ever dares to challenge him. Of course Darby Allin answers the challenge that match is gonna be cool. Nashville loved them some Darby Allin.

Darby Allin reminds me of Cactus Jack in many respects. The styles are different but the willingness to sacrifice their bodies for the art form are the same. Darby is gonna be somebody. 

Nashville was hot as fuck all night. It’s cool to hear a crowd engraved in the show.

MJF and Jericho holy cow that was good. The whole thing was a lot of fun. The back and fourth, the Bugs Bunny style arguing, MJF jacking Cody’s entrance it was all really good. 

I don’t know how I feel about MJF having a heavy, your top heel has a heavy does your number 2 really need a heavy?

Cody getting choked out by his own tie was awesome. I’m beginning to think Cody’s big gripe with Triple H and the WWE is they wouldn’t let Cody book himself to be Dusty. Don’t get me wrong I’m a Cody fan he’s been firing on all cylinders this year but he is the Common Man Folk Hero of AEW that he was never gonna be in WWE. Maybe Dustin comes back to even the odds against MJF and Wardlow.

I thought Jungle Express vs Dark Order was the best the Dark Order has looked yet. Grayson as the workhorse he wears you down and tires you out before Uno gets in there and beats the dog piss out of you. Marko took a beating.

Luchasaraus returning was pretty cool. Crowd loved em. I’m with everyone who has brought up New Order could use a third in their feud with Jungle Express. The thought popped into my mind when Lucha was spinning heel kicking everyone. But who out there would be a good third for the Dark Order? Kongo Kong?

Young Bucks-PnP continues to be bananas wild that brawl was fucking awesome with the screen in screen, Santana’s leaping off the forklift. The Orange Cassidy spot was pure gold with the slow door close abs Santana’s reaction.  The bullseyes first the PB spot felt old school in a great way. That nerd Brandon Cutler got stomped out all around good segment.

The tag main event was really good I thought. I’m happy that Jericho and Sammy didn’t win. SCU should have a longish run as inaugural champions. If they wanted The Inner Circle to win have all the Championships for The Elite to eventually capture at a big show let’s say Double or nothing I’d say you have Jericho as World Champ for either Kenny or Page to dethrone, Sammy as like TV and either Cody Page Kenny it even Dustin best him for that, PnP as tag champs for the Uoung Bucks to usurp.

If you were to put the belts on Jericho and Sammy they could always have Jericho call last week a fluke and demand a redo and then you have the tag rematch main event Thanksgiving Eve which Meltzer is saying the ticket sales are ok for. Either Scorp gets another roll up on Jericho or Jericho pins Scorp, him and Sam are champs and that’s the end of that.

Upon further review I agree with whoever said Scorp-Jericho should simmer for a little longer before they do anything. I’d give Scorp a title shot but not right away. The New Years Eve show is at Darby’s Place they could make that a big show by having Jericho defend against Scorp. Scorp loses just barely maybe Hagger assisted in Jerichos victory. Then Scorp goes about his business wins the Casino Battle Royal and beats Jericho at ALL Out to become Champion. 

If Scorp as champ doesn’t work PAC can always take it off him relatively quickly and they can start the build for The Hangman to unseat The Bastard at DON 2021.

I may be getting ahead of myself.

Some other notes; Nia looked like a monster which is good, Kong is gonna destroy poor Allie, Allie is a perennial face and Kong’s gonna get some heat on her boy. I didn’t particularly care for the triple threat it wasn’t bad just idk the mid card is a little flat right now. They need a secondary titled of some sort to maintain a focus on the Midcard. A TV title with a 15 minute time limit that’s defended on TV regularly but I wouldn’t have it on PPV’s unless the feud is really strong. Lastly my only complaint really is that there was two unnecessary screen in screens that featured entrances and then they cut to a pure commercial during PAC vs Page.

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1 hour ago, HarryArchieGus said:

Darby vs. Spears vs. Peter Avalon: WTF was with Excalibur claiming Three Way bouts are no DQ?  Really, since when?  Really really bad adlib there to explain the lack of DQ on Janela's mid-match interference.  I think everybody would have been fine with Audrey admonishing the situation and then calling for the match to continue as to declare a winner.  Further, such a simple but excellent angle set-up between Moxley's excellent opening promo and Darby's excellent 2 word promo.  Darby Allin is great and getting better and better with each passing week.  

Also, Peter Avalon's opening bellyflop was 'frickin' awesome.  
  

I think three ways since the start of time have been no DQ. It's been a WWE staple for as far back as I can remember.

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Probably since they were popularized in the no DQ environment of ECW. 

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2 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

Probably since they were popularized in the no DQ environment of ECW. 

If they are gonna take anything from ECW I’d much rather prefer Three Way Dances being elimination instead of No DQ.

Also if you are taking inspiration from ECW, introductions when both competitors are in the ring would be a cool touch too. 

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@Web Conn Are you stealing Chris Jericho's gimmick of getting names wrong intentionally, or Jim Ross' gimmick of getting names wrong by accident? New Order, Jungle Express, Darby's Place...

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@AxB I can’t spell and I don’t use punctuation 

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1 hour ago, Oyaji said:

I think three ways since the start of time have been no DQ. It's been a WWE staple for as far back as I can remember.

I'll take your word for it.  I don't look to WWE for logic, but seems to me there's a real set of logic holes for all 3 ways to automatically be no DQ.  I guess I take back my original comment and say 'thank you Excalibur for pointing out that all 3 ways are no DQ'.  

First, obviously ECW is, at least in the US, where this match originated or at least was made famous as the 'Three Way Dance', and obviously ECW was entirely no DQ.  But I wouldn't have just assumed that automatically the WWE 'Triple Threat' version was no DQ, and further the 'Three Way Dance'  was an elimination.  And what Web Conn says on both accounts... 

58 minutes ago, Web Conn said:

If they are gonna take anything from ECW I’d much rather prefer Three Way Dances being elimination instead of No DQ.

Also if you are taking inspiration from ECW, introductions when both competitors are in the ring would be a cool touch too. 

 

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Just heard Cornette say he invented triple threats (and say it's the worst thing he's ever done because now there's too many), but then he said there was one in Texas in the 60s. More informed historians than I can confirm that.

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10 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I believe that's called a no contest.  Stating no DQ in three ways presents all kinds of logic holes.    

Triple threats have always been No DQ dating back some 20+ years.  They don't always state that it is but it's been that way and is why many triple threats result in plunder and announce table spots etc.. 

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Just to join the chorus, but yes, triple threats are always no DQ.

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I think for a long time WWE just didn't say they were No DQ, but they never DQed guys in them, and eventually they just codified it probably over a decade ago.

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Good to note.  My mistake.  I haven't watched WWE, the 'industry standard', in over 15 years so forgive my memory.  And again retract my criticism of Excaliburino's call.  

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Even if it is the standard, triple threats being no-DQ by default is extremely stupid. If someone breaks the rules, you eliminate them from the match and have the other two wrestlers go one-on-one. Then you can have an actual no-DQ triple threat as a special stipulation.

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On 11/14/2019 at 10:32 AM, Craig H said:

And he's in his early 20s. It's insane. If he stays healthy he's going to be one of the biggest guys in the business.

MJF needs a feud with someone who will beat the wrestling into him the way Bill Watts beat it into Sting.

 

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Three-way matches being automatically no-DQ is definitely a recent thing. I remember a heel IC champion (pretty sure it was Owen Hart) losing a three-way title defence by countout. They didn't announce a winner, just that Owen had lost but was still champion.

As Fowler pointed out, for years they just avoided having a DQ in a three-way match, presumably because they hadn't decided how it would work. But that's a very different thing from explicitly stating that they're no DQ. The latter only started a few years ago in WWE. And as HarryArchieGus and MapRef pointed out, it's extremely stupid and leads to some big booking problems - just look at the ending to that Cena/Ambrose/Styles three-way.

 

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On 11/17/2019 at 7:07 AM, Web Conn said:

My thoughts on the Dynamite: 

Nashville was hot as fuck all night. It’s cool to hear a crowd engraved in the show.

Don’t give them any more ideas for prize trinkets and bling.

It would need to be a pretty big trophy to engrave the whole crowd though, maybe something like that ‘trophy from the fans’ from old WWF that was in the Pics thread a while back.

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2 hours ago, Custos said:

Don’t give them any more ideas for prize trinkets and bling.

It would need to be a pretty big trophy to engrave the whole crowd though, maybe something like that ‘trophy from the fans’ from old WWF that was in the Pics thread a while back.

Maybe the crowd was so good that they were the type of crowd that you'd want engraved in a Grecian urn. It's positively Keats-ian for pro wrestling fans, wrestlers, and promoters to want to stay within the finest moments of pro wrestling's past forever. That's why the heel authority figure hasn't gone away since 1997. 

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There's an extra reason that triple threats being no-DQ by default is stupid for AEW specifically:

If every triple threat is no-DQ, then in principle, every triple threat could have just as much mayhem and brutality as any of the lights-out matches. And yet the triple threats, unlike the lights-out matches, are sanctioned and go on wrestlers' official records. This makes no sense.

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18 hours ago, alstein said:

MJF needs a feud with someone who will beat the wrestling into him the way Bill Watts beat it into Sting.

 

Dustin?

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On 11/17/2019 at 6:26 PM, tbarrie said:

Three-way matches being automatically no-DQ is definitely a recent thing. I remember a heel IC champion (pretty sure it was Owen Hart) losing a three-way title defence by countout. They didn't announce a winner, just that Owen had lost but was still champion.

I think I remember this but I wouldn't call it recent

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42 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

I think I remember this but I wouldn't call it recent

Actually, I'm clearing misremembering something; Owen was only IC champ in 1997, and the match I'm thinking of would have been later than that, after triple threats had been a thing for a while. I'm pretty sure |I didn't imagine the whole thing, but it couldn't have been Owen as champ.

And I wouldn't call it "recent" either; I was just throwing it out there to counter people saying triple threats had "always" been no-DQ,

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