Kuetsar Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Thirty more complete games than the next active pitcher. Highest WAR of any active pitcher (higher than RIvera, Pettite). Win/Loss percentage of .6591 (again, highest of any active pitcher). Most shutouts. Eighth in WHIP, 4th in ERA+. I am a bit biased, because I got to watch his entire career with Toronto, but I don't see how he isn't a slam dunk Hall of Famer, especially when you add in extra-curriculars like Cys, no-hitters and All-Star games. I support Jack Morris as a Hall of Famer, but would take Doc every time if I had to choose between the two. It's a convincing argument. In an era where everything is instantly proclaimed "the greatest ever", it's easy to be a contrarian. If Pedro goes in, so should halladay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I think Ichiro should come back to Seattle so he can sulk and pout through his last few hits to 3000 like he did his last couple seasons the first time. If we wanted someone to sulk and pout, I'm sure Griffey could be induced to come out of retirement. Of course, compared to Randy Johnson, Ichiro has a downright sunny disposition. Hey, at least Randy only tanked half of one season. Ichiro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Halladay gets in, IMHO. He was an elite guy for a decade outside of maybe 2004. 6 times under 3.00 ERA, the absolute top workhorse in all of baseball for most of his career. You combine "he threw tons of innings" with "he gave up very few runs" with "for a decade straight" and you've got a HOF'er. But let's not get crazy - Pedro Martinez was a better pitcher. His peak was way, way higher than Halladay's. His 1999 & 2000 seasons were maybe the best 2-year stretch by any pitcher EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Oh, this is for you, Craig: Mark Prior is officially retired after blowing out his shoulder *again*. Just 33, hasn't pitched in the majors since 2006. Thanks, Dusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Typical Midwest Coast Bias. Which of these managers just elected to the Hall of Fame was the best? 24% Bobby Cox 42% Tony La Russa 34% Joe TorreDiscuss (Total votes: 32,175) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 There are rumors coming out of Seattle that the Mariners offered Nelson Cruz 5 years, $75 million but he turned them down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Oh, this is for you, Craig: Mark Prior is officially retired after blowing out his shoulder *again*. Just 33, hasn't pitched in the majors since 2006. Thanks, Dusty. Mark Prior has retired more than Terry Funk. I'm surprised he tried this long to get back into the game, as opposed to doing something useful, like being a pitching coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Rajai Davis is changing stripes, joining the Detroit Tigers after three seasons with the Toronto Blue Jays. The 33-year-old outfielder has reportedly signed a two-year deal worth in the range of $9-10 million with Detroit. Last season with Toronto, Davis batted .268 with six homers, 24 RBIs and 45 stolen bases in 331 at-bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Three-way trade on the brink... Angels get Hector Santiago, Tyler Skaggs Diamondbacks get Mark Trumbo White Sox get Adam Eaton Minor prospects also involved, though I'm not sure if AZ or CHW is getting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 This is what Wrigley looks like without the Ivy. They're doing maintenance on the bricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Three-way trade on the brink... Angels get Hector Santiago, Tyler Skaggs Diamondbacks get Mark Trumbo White Sox get Adam Eaton Minor prospects also involved, though I'm not sure if AZ or CHW is getting them. This is done, BTW. Arizona also gets two PTBNL, one from each team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 The Rockies have acquired left-hander Brett Anderson from the A's in exchange for left-hander Drew Pomeranz and right-hander Chris Jensen, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Well shit. Would've liked to see him get another shot at doing what he did his first couple seasons in Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Apparently Mike Morse wants a 1 year deal for 7 to 8 million dollars. Hey as long as we're asking for things we're never gonna get I would like a night in the sack with Sofia Vergara. Something tells me neither myself nor Mr Morse will be getting our wishes anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Multiple bench outfielders are getting two years for 8-11M - wouldn't be shocked if Morse gets what he wants as the OF market starts to taper off. Here's something fun - ESPN's Mark Mulder wants to make a comeback. Dude was one of my favorite pitchers to watch back in the day, I hope he catches on somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Here's something fun - ESPN's Mark Mulder wants to make a comeback. Dude was one of my favorite pitchers to watch back in the day, I hope he catches on somewhere. For some reason I was a monster with him in MVP 07 (the modded version of MVP 05). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimLivingston Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Best part about the Mulder story? He watched Paco Rodriguez of the Dodgers pitch, thought he could copy that motion, did it, threw 90, and thinks he has a shot. I'm rooting for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 a straight 90 mph fastball is pretty amazing for an announcer. ...for an announcer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LethalStriker Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 It's nice that he's able to pitch up to 90 mph again but he's going to have to really hit his marks and change things up well with his secondary pitches if he's only pitching 90. He's basically going to have to be Greg Maddux if he wants to have success with that velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I'd give him a shot on a low cost, one year deal, to see if he still has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 All he's looking for right now is a Spring Training invite - why the hell not? Might get your team some extra ESPN love, too. But five years away from the game is a hell of a lot different than one or two - will be interesting to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 All he's looking for right now is a Spring Training invite - why the hell not? Might get your team some extra ESPN love, too. But five years away from the game is a hell of a lot different than one or two - will be interesting to see what happens. But what about his HOF eligibility? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Halladay gets in, IMHO. He was an elite guy for a decade outside of maybe 2004. 6 times under 3.00 ERA, the absolute top workhorse in all of baseball for most of his career. You combine "he threw tons of innings" with "he gave up very few runs" with "for a decade straight" and you've got a HOF'er. But let's not get crazy - Pedro Martinez was a better pitcher. His peak was way, way higher than Halladay's. His 1999 & 2000 seasons were maybe the best 2-year stretch by any pitcher EVER. J.R. Richard called to say "WTF?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Thirty more complete games than the next active pitcher. Highest WAR of any active pitcher (higher than RIvera, Pettite). Win/Loss percentage of .6591 (again, highest of any active pitcher). Most shutouts. Eighth in WHIP, 4th in ERA+. I am a bit biased, because I got to watch his entire career with Toronto, but I don't see how he isn't a slam dunk Hall of Famer, especially when you add in extra-curriculars like Cys, no-hitters and All-Star games. I support Jack Morris as a Hall of Famer, but would take Doc every time if I had to choose between the two. I think I've exploded the Jack Morris mystique on this board on more than one occasion. Certainly, Hall of the Very Good, but not HOF. The more I look at Doc's numbers, the more I become convinced that he and Pedro should both go in. I think we've likely seen our last 300 game winner and W-L is probably the worst stat to use when evaluating a pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Chaz Morton gets an extension from Pittsburgh - 3/21, can max out at 4/30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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