Patrick B. Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Yeah, they had Punk vs. Eddy vs. (maskless) Rey on there. Can one of the board vets add their two cents on this particular Punk-Hero match? Their opinion is worth far more than my own. I don't know if I qualify as a board vet, but I don't think the 90 minute Punk Hero match has aged well at all. I think lengthier matches have a tendency to highlight the worst habits of both participants. Notably, during this feud in which the matches just seemingly got longer and longer, the drama never seemed to focus on the outcome, but instead on how long they were going yo put off the outcome. I think a lot of the super Indy stuff of this time period suffers from being overly exhibitionist, and that issue is prevalent throughout this. Obviously you have two talented performers who are really comfortable with one another, so there are great moments, but in between those moments are long stretches in which the only purpose is to impress. I thought that was awesome 10 years ago, and so did a lot of other people, but I think personally I have grown to value brevity a tad more than I did back then. I'll agree with some of that. I've seen a few recent matches that seemed to go long for the sake of going long. The commentators' relating of the Punk-Hero match predictions even seemed to focus more on the potential length of the match rather than the actual outcome. I liked the match once it really got going(about halfway through). Will need to watch a few other matches from around this time period, particularly the Joe-Punk 60:00 draws from ROH.
nate Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 hypothetical: if an TNA or ROH posted their 10 or 25 best matches on YouTube, which matches would make it and which will stand up to the test of time? This makes me wish that there'd be something similar to the "Best of the '90s" project that DVDVR did. But I don't see that ever happening.
Raziel Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Well TNA *is* airing what they claim are their best 25 matches on Destination America, so they're actually doing it.
JRGoldman Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 TNA would be a struggle, but I'd gladly organize a best of ROH poll if people would be interested.
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 TNA would be a struggle, but I'd gladly organize a best of ROH poll if people would be interested.I'm fucking in if you guys are, though admittedly my area of knowledge is from just 2003-2006Also, my ballot would have like 100 matches.
nate Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Same here although my range is even more narrow, like 2004-2006, with mere smatterings of other years mixed in. And I too could pull out 100 matches.
RandomAct Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I actually DID start to put together a "best of TNA" comp about a year ago before losing interest. A top 25 would be easy for them after pouring through the footage.
kafkonia Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Yeah, a top 25 should be easy for TNA. That's an average of two matches per year, and match quality has never been their biggest problem.
cool arrow Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Even with all the extraneous bullshit of the last year, they still had some damn good wrestling.
The Z Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Didn't Bryan Danielson and Austin Aries have an almost three hour long 2 out of 3 falls match in an empty arena once or was that just a dream of mine?
The Z Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Hm, ok. But I think I remember reading somewhere that Danielson wanted the match to go three hours with the first two falls both going to a 60 minute time limit draw and the last fall being won by one of the two during the last few minutes of the third fall.
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 It was 70 minutes IIRC.74:12 to be exactI would definitely be up for participating in an ROH top 100 project. My fandom was at its peak from 2003-2008 until Gabe was fired. 1
Ryback Hates Bullies Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 There was an announcement before the match that it would likely go very long and that the wrestlers were cool with people leaving. That said, I heard that they decided to cut the match short after about 30 minutes as they didn't think the crowd was with them enough to go three hours. It would have made the DVD a 2 disc set as well, whereas going 74m they cut entrances and squeezed the whole show under 3 hours.
Tromatagon Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Has there been 25 King of the Mountain matches yet? I vote for all those 2
cool arrow Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Has there been 25 King of the Mountain matches yet? I vote for all those Would they really want to promote Jeff Jarrett so much, though?
Raziel Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Has there been 25 King of the Mountain matches yet? I vote for all those Would they really want to promote Jeff Jarrett so much, though? Well with Dixie's attitude lately, its really NJPW promoting TNA...
Big Fresh Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Hm, ok. But I think I remember reading somewhere that Danielson wanted the match to go three hours with the first two falls both going to a 60 minute time limit draw and the last fall being won by one of the two during the last few minutes of the third fall. That was what Bryan wanted originally, but he called an audible. Did one of them get hurt?
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 I had a top 75 list for TNA. I will just need to actually put it in order to reflect the top 25 matches of all time for that company.
JRGoldman Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 I'm glad there is some interest in the ROH idea. I will start a thread for it and do some general pimping this week, but I'll really be able to delve in once I get back from vacation on the 19th. 4
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 I'm glad there is some interest in the ROH idea. I will start a thread for it and do some general pimping this week, but I'll really be able to delve in once I get back from vacation on the 19th. Fucking awesome. Will start throwing out some matches people might want to keep there eye out for rapidly. 1
ebbie Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 I just want to know where in the fuck you guys have the will power or time to watch these goddamn hour/hour and half matches. It's one thing to watch a movie that has characters, music, different scenes etc etc. but to watch vanilla midgets do a bunch of shit that doesn't mean anything until the last 5 minutes seems like a total waste of time. 5
The Nature Boy Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 It really depends on the performers. Flair/Steamboat were good at keeping people engaged for an hour but I found myself falling asleep with Bret/Shawn.
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 I just want to know where in the fuck you guys have the will power or time to watch these goddamn hour/hour and half matches. It's one thing to watch a movie that has characters, music, different scenes etc etc. but to watch vanilla midgets do a bunch of shit that doesn't mean anything until the last 5 minutes seems like a total waste of time. Don't you have a Wade Barrett fan club to run, you know, somewhere else? 7
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