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Holy shit that clip from the E! show brought back a flood of memories of late-night t.v. watching in like 1995.

That was like three technological epochs ago.

When I was a growing boy in the mid-90's and had to share the family computer (and didn't know how to cover my tracks), the Stern show on E! and Girls Gone Wild infomercials were very important.

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I feel like I've hit some sort of wrestling fandom purgatory. There are very few people that I actively hate and I've gone out of my way to avoid hating people in wrestling, but all that's meant is that I'm really apathetic about a whole lot of people. Moreover, I've even gotten apathetic about the people I used to like since the message has been hammered into my head that the people I liked "aren't best for business". Yes, I'm aware that I should stop watching, but that's obviously not happening any time soon out of some combination of force of habit and mental illness.

Don't know what the heck I'm looking for in response to that, honestly.

I have felt in the same boat. There aren't many wrestlers that I'm passionate about, and I find I rarely agree with this new breed of Internet fans and their "hive think"...one guy after another from nxt is great, triple h is the savior, Vince and Kevin Dunn are ruining things, blah. Don't want to kill a departed, but Rovert claiming that Sami Zayn is an all-time great at 30 years old made me question if maybe I'm too cynical to enjoy stuffing instead of potatoes anymore. Had a moment this year where I just said fuck it and I was done, then my wife's uncle invites me to wm30, and I was back in. It's an illness, I get it.

 

 

This might be a strange little off-shoot to this conversation, but let me add this if I may. I've been participating in online wrestling discussion since we got Internet when I was 10-11 years old (I'm about to be 27) and so many things have changed. Partcularly on places like Reddit, which skew a little younger. "Fuck Dave Meltzer, he's just another dirtsheet guy, he was wrong about Punk in Chicago so he's not to be trusted." Really?? I mean, Jesus, are you even old enough to remember that they're called sheets because they used to come in the actual US mail? Or like you said, Kevin Dunn-- these kids are parrotting Cornette shoots with all this Bucky Beaver talk-- sure, the guy might have his opinions or whatever, and yeah, maybe he's been responsible for some awful, abhorrent bullshit-- but we're gonna play like he hasn't been a hugely influential figure in pro wrestling TV production over the last 20 years? I don't know that I would have even known the name Kevin Dunn when I was 12. Definitely helps harbor a feeling that not only wrestling, but meaningless, banal, daily discussion ABOUT wrestling-- has passed me by

 

 

Holy shit that clip from the E! show brought back a flood of memories of late-night t.v. watching in like 1995.

 

That was like three technological epochs ago.

 

I really didn't start watching the E! show until I was around 11-12 (wonder why..) so I would probably place that clip somewhere like 2000-2001. It's so incredible to watch now that society has changed so much and Howard has basically put his own personal Attitude era to rest and basically spends the entire show with celebrity interviews and America's Got Talent talk.

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Holy shit that clip from the E! show brought back a flood of memories of late-night t.v. watching in like 1995.

That was like three technological epochs ago.

When I was a growing boy in the mid-90's and had to share the family computer (and didn't know how to cover my tracks), the Stern show on E! and Girls Gone Wild infomercials were very important.

 

 

Dammit.  This is triggering a lot of lost memories of that gold moment when "edgy talk radio" started showing up on late night cable.  For a few years it was such a weird free-for-all where any weirdo could get a show on FNN or CNBC and they tried to be "classy" but half the time it was just 80s porn stars answering live phone calls about sex stuff.

 

I watched this every night hoping to get some pointers:

 

 

Why can't basic cable be this amazing again?

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Holy shit that clip from the E! show brought back a flood of memories of late-night t.v. watching in like 1995.

That was like three technological epochs ago.

When I was a growing boy in the mid-90's and had to share the family computer (and didn't know how to cover my tracks), the Stern show on E! and Girls Gone Wild infomercials were very important.

Dammit. This is triggering a lot of lost memories of that gold moment when "edgy talk radio" started showing up on late night cable. For a few years it was such a weird free-for-all where any weirdo could get a show on FNN or CNBC and they tried to be "classy" but half the time it was just 80s porn stars answering live phone calls about sex stuff.

I watched this every night hoping to get some pointers:

Why can't basic cable be this amazing again?

Because the Internet.

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Never saw Real Personal, seems to be a bit before my time. I learned A LOT from the MTV version of Loveline, though. I remember being like 8, and just walking around terrified that I would get AIDS at any moment

So I wasn't the only one? I was pretty sure I'd get it by jerking off. 

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Never saw Real Personal, seems to be a bit before my time. I learned A LOT from the MTV version of Loveline, though. I remember being like 8, and just walking around terrified that I would get AIDS at any moment

This is alittle but later, but did you see Undressed on MTV? It was basically like watching porn, but it cut out right before the sex. Just the lead-up scenes.

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I have felt in the same boat. There aren't many wrestlers that I'm passionate about, and I find I rarely agree with this new breed of Internet fans and their "hive think"...one guy after another from nxt is great, triple h is the savior, Vince and Kevin Dunn are ruining things, blah. Had a moment this year where I just said fuck it and I was done, then my wife's uncle invites me to wm30, and I was back in. It's an illness, I get it.

 

I don't get this "hive think/mind" stuff in regards to DVDVR.  I mean, there's a pretty wide-range of differing opinions here: Bryan is amazing vs. Bryan is overrated; "random guy from NXT is gonna be huge" vs. "Another failure from NXT" after his first appearance; "NJPW is the best pro wrest on the planet" vs. "It's not even the best in Japan".  I mean, for every opinion someone has on here, there are like 10-20 who have the opposite.  So how can it be a hive mind?!

To me the "hive think/mind" is used too often by folks, not necessarily you Dre013, but folks in general to show how much smarter they think they are about pro wrestling: "I know Mark Henry sucks because he is fat but the DVDVR hive mind mentality has people pretending he's good."

I don't get the "hive mind" argument on here.  I get it other places, where Cena is the devil, or TNA is the best wrestling in the US, or ROH is the greatest or Ian Rotten is a saint, but there's just no consistent enough tone/opinions here to suggest there is any DVDVR hive mind.

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Caley, I appreciate the sentiment...I was actually thinking of the "hive mind" concept in regards to reddit and a few other places, hence the Internet fan reference. I've actually encountered good conversation here...outside of our recently departed with the nxt inside sources and belief that Sami Zayn is one of the all-time greats.

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Personally, I've completely enjoyed the fact that DVDVR is, brace yourselves, probably the most mature place online to discuss wrestling. The trolls don't tend to last long around these parts. I've never really encountered "hive mind" behavior here. Trends (CM Punk sucks) yes but hive mind, not so much. I truly enjoy this community. I was a lurker forever but finding grownups talking about the fake fighting has been truly refreshing.

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For me, the difficulty has been that 2013 was just such an awesome year for WWE. And we can debate all day how they got there, but Mania was magic.

 

Coming out of Mania there was an expectation that 2013 was just the beginning and we were on the cusp of a new golden age. Then a whole bunch of things happened, some in WWE's control, some out of their control.

 

Outside of a few blips (NXT, Lesnar, Dean, Rollins and...Swagger) 2014 has felt like a hangover.

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For me, the difficulty has been that 2013 was just such an awesome year for WWE. And we can debate all day how they got there, but Mania was magic.

 

Coming out of Mania there was an expectation that 2013 was just the beginning and we were on the cusp of a new golden age. Then a whole bunch of things happened, some in WWE's control, some out of their control.

 

Outside of a few blips (NXT, Lesnar, Dean, Rollins and...Swagger) 2014 has felt like a hangover.

I completely agree. It felt like things were about to be AMAZING and then...well, yeah...

 

With that said, I do still have faith that, once Vince steps aside, Trips will do some amazing things. I was never a fan of him in the ring or his character but his instincts and his old-school sensibilities really do seem to be "best for business."

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I can't remember the last time I watched Raw, even on DVR.  I know they're making a lot of money off rights fees but 3 hours is just too much.  It's killing them creatively and is making for horribly boring TV.  Raw would be can't miss TV if it were only an hour, maybe 90 minutes.  A shorter show makes them get more creative, trying to figure out how to do more with less.  Instead, we have writers and bookers trying to figure out how to fill three hours and just get through the night.  It definitely shows.

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