Tromatagon Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Sometimes places weren't part of the NWA but weren't considered outlaws because they wouldn't try and run against NWA shows. Kamala talks about it in his book, which I'm reading now. He was part of one called the IWC, which was affiliated with the AWA, but also never ran against NWA shows, so they were okay. But the weird thing is IWA even tried to sue NWA over their business practices. I guess if you're a big enough star that shit doesn't matter, and Ernie and Mil were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Are you thinking of early 90s Windy City when Heyman was booking? That was definitely on Sports Channel. 2001 or 2002 Windy City aired on WJYS and was largely terrible. I remember RVD worked a show after ECW closed. Both, I guess, but mostly the 90s stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuttsy Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Was there a reason Bob Holly and the Kid won the tag title tournament after replacing the Smoking Gunns in 95 only to lose the titles the next night...to the Smoking Gunns? Bob Holly mentioned it in his book. And no, there was no given reason. When he asked why they were dropping the belts they had no real answer. I would guess the Gunns were originally scheduled to win the tourney and Billy's injury made them unable to compete, so the Gunns winning the next night just returned to the status quo. Just a theory but maybe losing to Smoking Gunns in a regular tag title match at Royal Rumble wasn't considered a big enough reason for Bigelow to feel "embarrassed" and snap after be mocked by LT afterward, whereas losing the finals of a tournament to a wimpy underdog team was. Just a thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Trained workers: how does one perform a bridging German suplex on a 200+lb man without his weight smashing your own head into the canvas with lethal force? The answer to that is probably just "with great difficulty", but The guy getting suplexed jumps backward into the motion of the suplex. And tucks their chin, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Were there penalties in the 70s for wrestlers who worked renegade territories? Were such wrestlers still able to get NWA bookings without difficulty? There's a video I saw on You Tube recently, not sure if it was through here or elsewhere that saw Koko Ware v. a masked jobber in Memphis. The jobber was allegedly working an outlaw territories too and Koko beat the shit out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Back in the old days, anyone working the non-NWA outlaw promotions essentially were blackballed from the NWA territories. All the guys working the Poffos' ICW, including Ronnie Garvin, basically lost out - they only ended up working other outlaw promotions for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I thought Garvin still got regular work in Georgia and Montreal during those periods? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Back in the old days, anyone working the non-NWA outlaw promotions essentially were blackballed from the NWA territories. All the guys working the Poffos' ICW, including Ronnie Garvin, basically lost out - they only ended up working other outlaw promotions for a long time. Is that why Savage ended up in the WWF? Because I can't see Vince Jr. giving a shit about that stuff. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Well Savage was working Memphis before WWF. He had his feud with Lawler and that probably could've gone a little longer but when Vince comes calling back then, saying "Nah, I wanna headline the Mid-Sputh Coliseum for the next year" would be shooting yourself in the foot James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Right - the Poffos made up with Lawler and co. when ICW went under, and Savage and Lawler did some hot main events in Memphis. Savage ended up going to the WWF and turned babyface on the way out, teaming a couple of times with Lawler and putting over a really green Rick Rude. (A lot of this stuff is on the Wrestling Gold DVD sets, BTW, and I cannot recommend them strongly enough!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Wow, Savage and Rude actually had a match back then? I thought they had only fought at Cage of Death '97. Seriously though, I never knew they had faced off. Shows how much I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Watch for the runin by King Kong Bundy - with hair! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Memphis Bundy was scary as fuck. He could really move back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It's amazing. They do nothing for the first 3 minutes, and it's great. I love the ref not even bothering to get in the ring to make the count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Bundy with hair just looks odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Word is the Savage/Rude feud started when Randy insulted Rick's small legs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 How did Rude and Macho not feud in the WWF? Seems like that was a no-brainer feud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelcanvas Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Which wrestlers are known to have been blackballed for any period of time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I recommend you read up on the NWA split with Ann Gunkel, and her All South renegade promotion, circa 1972-74. There are several versions of the story depending on who is telling it (and the survivors are dwindling). Jody Hamilton goes into it in his autobiography, many interviewees talk of it in the great Whatever Happened To...? magazine and it gets covered in the National Wrestling Alliance book. The main thrust is thatthe workers who sided with Ann Gunkel at first were given amnesty but anyone who joined later was threatened with a blackballing. Thus, the lack of new talent sped up the demise of All South. The Great Mephisto and Gene LeBell talk about renegade promotions a lot. My understanding is that if you could draw money, all would be forgiven. All of Eddie Einhorn's IWA main eventers soon found work but the lower card guys suffered, for example. - RAF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I am mad at myself for forgetting Savage's memphis run. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Right - the Poffos made up with Lawler and co. when ICW went under, and Savage and Lawler did some hot main events in Memphis. Savage ended up going to the WWF and turned babyface on the way out, teaming a couple of times with Lawler and putting over a really green Rick Rude. (A lot of this stuff is on the Wrestling Gold DVD sets, BTW, and I cannot recommend them strongly enough!) Actually, Savage quickly turned heel again and had another series of matches with Lawler before he left Memphis for WWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 So randomly decided to watch the first couple ECW on TNN shows...what was the real story behind Sabu is 'banned' from wrestling in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 So randomly decided to watch the first couple ECW on TNN shows...what was the real story behind Sabu is 'banned' from wrestling in the US? Drugs? I don't really know but...it's drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Didn't he no show them again or something? Or am I thinking of a different time he went missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Didn't he no show them again or something? Or am I thinking of a different time he went missing? This would have been late '99 before Anracy Rulez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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