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WORLDS END II - 12/28/2024

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dorfus malorfus

dorfus malorfus

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I think their SummerSlam 93 match is great, both in terms of work and psychology, and super well booked where Bret's hatred gets the better of him and he gets himself disqualified after winning clean. It would have been a great, weirdly haunting ending to the feud; Bret exposed his dark side and has to keep a level head going forward against more competitive opponents. Everything after that was atrocious -- Shawn subbing for Lawler in the Survivor Series and then everything basically restarting from scratch in 95 with their horrible Kiss My Foot Match and Isaac Yankem showing up. 

Nash vs Sid has to be the worst 2+ year feud ever if you clock it beginning at WM 11 on thru the WCW garbage.

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ExcellenceofAirPollution

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Bret/Lawler was hurt by the time/place it happened (New Generation era WWF) but I thought it was a well booked feud and Lawler was great in his role.  WWF was my first exposure to Lawler and I was a huge Bret fan so as a tween/young teen I thought he was great as a chickenshit trash talking heel.

They actually did a good job keeping the feud going during Bret-Owen with Lawler on commentary and after the Owen and Backlund programs I think revisiting it and using Bret as a special attraction against a rogues gallery loosely affiliated with Lawler (similar to what they had done with Taker and DiBiase, and Hogan and Heenan for years) was a good use of Bret while Diesel was champion.  The guys they used were all good picks too, Hakushi, Pierre Oulette, Glenn Jacobs....as talented younger guys to get experience/rub from Bret.....it was just impossible with the shitty characters and cartoony booking of 1995

Anyway, World's End looks pretty damn great on paper.  Okada is going to be a massive babyface against Ricochet, and I'm expecting Ospreay to get his win back against Fletcher.....and Ospreay/Okada should be an epic finals (expecting Ospreay to win).  Anything else would be stupid, but Tony has been swerving me with stupid booking decisions a lot lately so we'll see

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HumanChessgame

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5 hours ago, tbarrie said:

I can't speak to the quality of the matches - I haven't watched them in years - but isn't complaining that Lawler never looked like he had a chance sort of like complaining that Michael Cole never looked like he had a chance against Lawler in their Wrestlemania match? Lawler was cast in the role of "Loud-mouthed announcer who constantly ran down a wrestling legend, though everybody knew he wasn't fit to tie said legend's boots". It would have made no sense to portray Lawler as a threat to Hart in a fair fight.

(One of the fun things about the Lawler/Cole feud was that a lot of it mirrored Lawler/Hart, except Lawler switched roles. As I recall, their match at 'Mania borrowed much of its structure from Hart vs Lawler at Summerslam.)

Yeah I was going to say, as a preteen in the early 90s the only exposure I had to Lawler was as a commentator. While I kind of figured he had some wrestling background, he basically never worked a match in the WWF until the Bret feud and he was hardly a physical specimen. I had no reason to think he'd be any type of physical threat to Bret.

Shartnado

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19 hours ago, dorfus malorfus said:

I think their SummerSlam 93 match is great, both in terms of work and psychology

And the preceeding match with Evil Doink as the substitute for obviously not injured Lawler is a good match in and of itself.

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dorfus malorfus

dorfus malorfus

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4 minutes ago, Shartnado said:

And the preceeding match with Evil Doink as the substitute for obviously not injured Lawler is a good match in and of itself.

Yeah actually between that and the series with Hennig, Borne Doink was maybe a Top 5 WWF worker of 1993.

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Shartnado

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2 minutes ago, dorfus malorfus said:

Yeah actually between that and the series with Hennig, Borne Doink was maybe a Top 5 WWF worker of 1993.

Plus the 2/3 falls match with Marty, the Backlund match was okay, too. Plus getting something vaguely resembling a match out of '93 Kamala, yeah, Borne was up there, at the time.

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dorfus malorfus

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7 hours ago, Shartnado said:

Plus the 2/3 falls match with Marty, the Backlund match was okay, too. Plus getting something vaguely resembling a match out of '93 Kamala, yeah, Borne was up there, at the time.

I actually think both Borne and Kamala are great in that match. Definitely a weird match but a solid ***. 

Gordi the BJW fan

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You guys are totally right, you have convinced me: Jerry Lawler vs Matt Borne is now the match I am most looking forward to at Worlds End 2024. 

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RazorbladeKiss87

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12 hours ago, Zimbra said:

Matty D posted some clips of Borne in Memphis from '93 being an absolute dick and they make me inclined to agree

https://bsky.app/profile/mattd-sc.bsky.social/post/3lb5vutpyyc22

That first clip's pumphandle slam was great. I like that it wasn't super smooth and he actually worked to get it in and interesting way. I have a Doink comp around, I'll have to watch it. 

Zimbra

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26 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

That first clip's pumphandle slam was great. I like that it wasn't super smooth and he actually worked to get it in and interesting way. I have a Doink comp around, I'll have to watch it.

To me it feels like the promise that Kurt Angle rarely lived up to: using simple but painful amateur-style stuff to be a huge dick.

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Shartnado

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4 hours ago, Gordi the recovering AEW f said:

You guys are totally right, you have convinced me: Jerry Lawler vs Matt Borne is now the match I am most looking forward to at Worlds End 2024. 

So you can only watch Zero Hour in that case!

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Zimbra

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QT Marshall vs JJ, Toni Storm vs Leila Grey and Outrunners/Top Flight vs Lio Rush/Action Andretti/Murder Machines are your Zero Hour matches.

I can get behind all of those.

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13 hours ago, Zimbra said:

QT Marshall vs JJ, Toni Storm vs Leila Grey and Outrunners/Top Flight vs Lio Rush/Action Andretti/Murder Machines are your Zero Hour matches.

I can get behind all of those.

JJ vs QT is one helluva way to end the year.

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SovietShooter

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19 minutes ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

just realized there isn't a tag title defense on the show

I could swore there was a Private Party vs Andretti/Rush match announced... or was that for Dynamite?

Niners Fan in CT

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If this PPV ended after Omega/Okada's stare down it would have been damn near perfect.   I feel like there's two competing AEW's right now.  There's the AEW that feels fresh and exciting and there's the AEW that feels like TNA after Hogan came in. 

Loved all of the C2 matches,   loved Mercedes/Stat II and really enjoyed Hobbs and Takeshita beating the hell out of each other.  Main event felt flat to me and I don't care about any of this Death Riders vs. Edge and Top Guys stuff...   

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tbh I barely paid attention to this show, I was half watching it while playing Marvel Rivals. But I’m glad to see we’re continuing the slow death march of Mox’s title reign (I’m not surprised - still convinced it ends with Darby in a few months).

Rated RKO isn’t nearly as cool as CMFTR, I’m sorry. And I’m assuming Cope is Mox’s next challenger, which… ehhhhh.

I wanna go back and watch Mercedes/Stat eventually, but I’m sure if it’s on Max next week it’ll still be a paid show. I’ll track it down.

Okada/Ospreay/Fletcher/Ricochet is whatever, really. I have to be in the mood for MATCHEZ, and right now I’m just not. But I love that Ospreay is SO clearly over with crowds and we’re just ignoring that he should be in the World title scene. Weird.

dorfus malorfus

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Was Veda Scott sitting behind the announce team during the pre-show (orange t-shirt)? 

I would have liked this ppv better if it wasn't $50 CAD. A nothing main event with a "surprise return" everyone already knew about is a depressing way to end a ppv when your attendance is already dwindling. I was hoping Jay White was only in this match to look stupid and eat a pin so at least I got that wish granted.

I enjoyed both CC semifinals way more than I expected I would, given the four guys involved. Ospreay working a shorter match knowing he had to go hard again in the finals greatly reduced the amount of bullshit him and Fletcher tried to do (or at least forced them to cram it all into a shorter match and dial back the theatrics and melodrama). Okada doing the stone faced grumpy Jumbo stuff in the Ricochet match was great. Post-match with Swerve was great too and I like that the idea that Ricochet is a dork who gets pushed too far and goes full-blown deadly heel (a la Rick vs Jimmy on Degrassi). 

Mercedes vs Stat was great again but they are out of their minds if they think saving the title change for Willow is worth sacrificing a big win for Statlander at this point. Hopefully they change their plans and have Stat get a third shot and finally win. 

MJF vs Cole was way more entertaining than it had any right to be (100% thanks to MJF just being a cheap heat seeking troll the entire match and calling Rosa's dad "Yosemite Sam"). The post-match was without hyperbole the worst post-match angle I've ever seen in my life. 5 of the most unlikeable guys on your roster getting 5 vs 1 heat on the heel everybody wants to cheer. They should just make this the "curtain call" moment for the Undisputed Kingdom and ship them off to ROH full time and let them be happy they had this moment. 

I hated Ospreay vs Okada. I thought these guys had lousy chemistry in NJPW and they had lousy chemistry tonight. Crowd didn't buy any of the near falls (including the first Rainmaker, which they should really have protected better) until maybe a couple before the finish. I did enjoy Okada winning as I feel like all his AEW wins thus far have been weirdly low-profile and protecting him will give him and Omega a better chance of drawing at All In (where they're presumably going to finally meet, based on the photo op of them standing in the ring with the poster on the tron). 

Last thing I'll complain about: QT Marshall should not be wrestling on tv. Covering his face when Jarrett went for the enzeguri then BREAKING HIS FALL WITH HIS HANDS when he took the Stroke for the finish...are his delusions of grandeur finally at the point where he's protecting his face for potential acting roles? 

This show reminded me a lot of last year's All Out, Full Gear and World's End, in that there was some really good wrestling but they felt like decidedly "b shows" (Wrestledream 2023 looked like that on paper but the awesome Christian/Darby main event coupled with the Copeland debut ended up elevating it). I know it's hard to run PPVs every month and still make them all feel important but as someone else already pointed out everything after Omega's return felt really bushleague. 

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This show was fucking great...until you get to the world title match. What a forgetful and stupidly booked mess as usual with the awful Death Riders stable. Way to push the young kids by bringing in Edge/FTR to run the Riders out of the ring. Stupid. Get the belt off Mox and kill the stable. Every moment of them on tv feels like shitty Death of WCW/early NWA TNA booking. The show should have ended with Omega returning to confront Okada whos title seems infinitely more important than the world title at this point. 

Other negatives of the show: Will the trios titles ever get defended? If Private Party isnt worth having on a PPV to defend the tag titles, why have them win them? And no Hurt Syndicate or Swerve just made no sense. Also the MJF vs Adam Cole never ending and not at all interesting feud just keeps going for some reason.

Outside of that nonsense, I loved this show. Might have been my favorite PPV in awhile. Ospreay-Fletcher, Ospreay-Okada, Mone vs Stat II were all ridiculously good. May vs Rosa was a fun hardcore brawl. Takeshita vs Hobbs was awesome. 

 

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