WORLDS END II - 12/28/2024

[dorfus malorfus]

9 minutes ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

I listened to that this morning and was yelling at the podcast BRET-OWEN AT MANIA X YOU ASSHOLES!!!!!  I've rewatched that match so many times, it's damn near perfect, and I doubt I'll revisit Ospreay/Fletcher (which was great) more than once

then when he got to best single night performance I was like BRET AT KOTR 93 YOU ASSHOLES!!!!!!!  WHAT ABOUT FLAIR AT RUMBLE 92???  Hell, what about Danielson at WM 30?  I came up with 3 immediately off the top of my head

Dave is such a reactionary

Dave is definitely nuts with the Ospreay stuff. I do think he used to be very measured but all the high-end NJPW matches in 2017 sent him into some kind of workrate equivalent of an acid trip he's never come out of. Him talking about wrestlers just being stronger, faster, and more athletic now--and thus "better"--and the older stuff looking lame in comparison was veering uncomfortably into sounding like a eugenics argument. 

Edited December 29, 2024 by dorfus malorfus

[HumanChessgame]

Maybe it's because I thought the show was on tonight and not last night and watched it this morning with the benefit of being able to skip around, but it felt like a fairly brief show. There were a lot of people missing and agreed on how it was missing a tag titles/trios match or an appearance by HoB or some of the other prominent members of the roster.

Speaking of turns, was anyone else expecting Bennett and Taven to turn on Cole?

[dorfus malorfus]

6 minutes ago, HumanChessgame said:

 

Speaking of turns, was anyone else expecting Bennett and Taven to turn on Cole?

I waa expecting any of the following turns/swerves and for better or worse none of them happened:

 

Bennett and Taven 

Roddy

Kyle

Wardlow return either as a heel again with MJF or as a tweener who beats up both guys

DMD return as a heel with MJF now that her and Cole are split irl

 

I guess I wouldn't have been shocked if Bobby Fish showed up either. What a weird and confusing feud this turned out to be. 

Edited December 29, 2024 by dorfus malorfus

[Octopus]

2 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

I wasn't; I was mostly potshotting the chucklehead who felt the need to insult Natural for daring to have a different opinion and post a lot (like... that's Natural's thing). I get very annoyed when people proclaim there is too much negativity somewhere while being equally negative, if not moreso.

That said, I'm not saying you shouldn't feel a certain way. I'm saying that if you're letting other people's opinions bring you down, you are choosing to let them do so. They hold no credence in your life, they don't pay your bills or buy your food, so why should you let them influence how you feel about entertainment? If you want to feel down about discourse or social media or algorithms, be my guest, but I just want you to know you're choosing to let something you have no control over bother you, and that's not a productive way to live your life. There's a reason I have a highly curated social media feed with tons of blocked accounts and muted words, and it's because I refuse to let someone person who I don't know and have no interest in knowing hold any kind of sway in my life.

If you feel that's me talking down to you, so be it, but the advice I gave is literally what I do for myself because I was in this same exact position a few years ago (albeit with things other than wrestling). I can't control other people. I can only control what I do. You can do the same but you have to make the active choice to do so.

Totally hear and respect you.

 I think it is fair for people to take breaks from things in life. What we should do on paper is easier than real life. If someone is fighting a two or three front war, the lesser things in life is ok to turn off  instead of constant eye rolls. That much orbital movement makes me dizzy. This is less about “why do people think differently” and more “this went from 0 to 100 quickly” to the point of discourse in those spaces isn’t fun. A lot of people left Twitter or do social media less for those reasons. Especially when specific platforms continually resent what you literally blocked. Why am I seeing this much Boy Meets World content? I know and agree with what you say. But breaks are ok from things. I’m not even saying you’re saying they are not. I assume you agree with that to the point of me being silly for driving so far with this silly point. I just want that in the open that people taking care of themselves in healthy ways, whether it is proactive action (in this case sniping out specific things) or temporary removal of the toxic space (in this case focusing on other things that you need to address at the same time) is ok.

I’m sorry for implying condescension and not reading the room or trusting your good character enough to comprehend properly. I look at us as buddies.

I’m likely projecting outside issues.

 I hope I’m not coming off like an idiot

[Octopus]

More importantly, @The Natural is great.

[Ace]

I rather enjoyed a fair amount of the show after giving no shits about the previous one. Got my $20 worth.

I could've stood to see a longer match between Mariah May & Thunder Rosa.

Mercedes Mone over the past few months has finally found her sea legs and is putting on bangers again.

All 3 CC matches were fun. Ricochet badly needs a manager, and Stokely has been absent since Kris turned face.

I am completely over Adam Cole, MJF, and the ring.

I am also completely over the Death Riders, realizing they're just treading water until they get to Mox vs Darby.

 

 

 

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

50 minutes ago, dorfus malorfus said:

Dave is definitely nuts with the Ospreay stuff. I do think he used to be very measured but all the high-end NJPW matches in 2017 sent him into some kind of workrate equivalent of an acid trip he's never come out of. Him talking about wrestlers just being stronger, faster, and more athletic now--and thus "better"--and the older stuff looking lame in comparison was veering uncomfortably into sounding like a eugenics argument. 

I think that's the best way I've heard it put yet.  His mind was blown in 2017 and now he's spun out on a permanent trip

I still think Dave's great BTW, he's just Dave

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

I took chickenscratch notes watching the show.  This is mostly a translation of that with a few added thoughts, it's probably gonna be long.  MB

- Arena was really smoky from the pyro at the start of Ospreay/Fletcher.  It was distracting and I was worried about the athletes breathing it in if it was going to be a problem all night, thankfully it wasn't

- Ospreay with the gusher early made it obvious they were booking him for a legendary one night performance (I wrote like Bret at KOTR 93.  Before I heard Dave and got all annoyed.  Suck It!)

- I liked Ospreay wiping his blood on the entrance ramp post-match.  Was bummed they cleaned it off before the next match.

- Nigel on Ricochet's improved performance lately:  "maybe he wasn't ready for the level of competition when he came to AEW"  I liked that.  Nigel had a good night on commentary

- I made a note of Okada's head slap.  A lot of Ricochet working around Okada in this one with Okada clearly saving himself for the finals.  Rico nearly killed him with his inverted suplex sitdown move, that looked fucking ugly (this show was full of ugly landings, I'm betting a bunch of people are hurting today)

- I dug the follow up to the Swerve/Rico interaction on Dynamite.  Swerve looked high as shit, must be nice to have the night off

- Nigel on his love for Mariah May, "simpin ain't easy!"

- Right before Rosa gets the table you can see Aubrey whisper something to her and you can audibly hear Rosa say, "yeah I know they want it" clearly annoyed that the chants had started earlier than they were getting to that spot.  Thought the finish to this match was great.  Tough spot, but I liked the match.  I had contemplated skipping it after the first two matches wore me out a bit, opted for a smoke break instead (didn't watch live) because these two always bring it and it felt wrong, was glad I did.

- The only thing I wrote down during MJF/Cole was a mayyyybe 13 yr old girl screaming "FUCK YOU!" at MJF after flipping him off, right on camera, it was glorious.  That was the best part of the match.  Didn't need double juice, especially with Will's story.  The big NXT reunion in Orlando to crickets was sad, not sure what you do with that crew at this point.  Onward and upward for MJF.  Same thing as the Garcia match.  MJF wins, babyface revenge post-match.......MJF just moves on and forgets about it

- Takeshita-Hobbs was really good.  Probably too ambitious with the top rope stuff, genuinely scary.  Hope Hobbs didn't actually get hurt at any point because his knee selling has been so fucking good since he's been back I've been convinced he's legit reinjured himself at least once or twice in every match.  Loved Takeshita using the chokehold to transition into his finisher, awesome end to a damn good hoss battle.  Takeshita always feels like such a big deal on PPV with matches like this and they haven't figured out how to capture it on TV quite yet

- Yes to JR on commentary (and I thought he added a lot to the C2 Finals)

- MY BIGGEST GRIEVANCE OF THE EVENING:  I usually don't bitch about the commentary but this was fucking egregious.  Ospreay hits Okada with the Styles Clash.  The move he beat KF with earlier in the night.  Okada kicks out.  This was the first really big spot in the match.  NOBODY POINTS OUT THAT HE JUST KICKED OUT OF THE MOVE THAT BEAT FLETCHER.  NOBODY.  MENTIONS.  IT.  WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.  Just horrible dropping of the ball here by X.  Then Ospreay kicks out of the Rainmaker, the move that beat Ricochet.........nobody mentions it.  DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND TELL THE FUCKING STORY. 

- Main event was great, very well paced, nice of big match Okada to show up.  I wanted Okada to demand Kenny put the belt around his waist.  Good tease for Texas, good match to move tickets for that show.  I thought Ospreay should have won, and almost needed to win as I really think they're playing with fire having him lose so much, BUT the story of Okada beating Kingston for the belt, then emerging from the second CC still champion.....it's a good story and it puts a lot of shine on the belt and on Okada.  So, that's all good.  As for Ospreay.....I don't love the happy go lucky havin a pint and a laff version of his character as much....and he really played it up with the promo with Renee (mixed feelings) and coming out for the finals where he was almost cartoonish with selling the blood loss.  I've given blood, I've lost blood.......you had a couple hours to rest up and get fluids, and you should have cleaned up better you wanker.  I'm think I'm starting to turn on this Ospreay character, he's a fucking idiot and I don't like idiot babyfaces

- much like MJF/Cole my only note for the main event was I liked Mox bowing at dude aggressively flipping him the bird.  Death House of Torture Riders bullshit.  The thing with the handcuff getting stuck to the ropes was weird, did it even play into the match?  Cope's return was worth it for X-Tian's reaction but this whole situation at the top of the card isn't really doing it for me.  I might do a Death Riders post at some point about why I think it isn't clicking.  Whoever said we've got half a promotion that feels cool and fresh and exciting and the other half feels like rehashed TNA/WCW bullshit nailed it.  I'm in general really high on AEW right now after the great month of TV we just had, but then you look at it and the next month could easily be filled with Hurt Business, Cope, Christian etc. and it feels like I'm watching TNA

Good show overall.  Both women's matches delivered (I just realized I took no notes during Mercedes/Stat), all 3 tourny matches (especially both of Will's) and Takeshita/Hobbs are worth watching

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by ExcellenceofAirPollution

[Matt D]

2 hours ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

You need to watch all 3 matches, or at least Ospeay/Fletcher before Ospreay/Okada (Okada/Ricochet doesn't really play into the finals as much, but Ospreay/Fletcher certainly does)

just started reading through reactions, will post mine in a bit

I would have liked Fletcher vs Ospreay more if Kyle continued the woundwork all the way to the 3rd lawn dart attempt instead of them doing the earlier comeback/chop exchange. Everything else could have been the same. More focused approach with bigger pent up energy and comeback.

Ricochet didn’t wrestle with the confidence of the Darby match. Past just a couple of inspired moments, he gave people the exact match he thought they expected out of him vs Okada. Maybe Okada not being a clear face hurt but Fletcher pulled it off earlier in the C2. A shame.

Will see the third later.

[Mike Campbell]

I mostly enjoyed the show. Honestly, my favorite thing to come out of the C2 has been this Ricochet heel turn, and he's killing it. I seriously hope they keep using him. The only thing that I wasn't too high on was the main event. It felt like the main event from a taped episode of Smackdown from the 2010's. I was totally shocked when Okada won. I think everyone and their brother "knew" that it was going to be Ospreay.

[caley]

2 hours ago, Octopus said:

More importantly, @The Natural is great.

Quoted for posterity

[AxB]

If we can take one thing from this show, we can at least thank the gods that wrestling finally has an alternate angle to film someone narrowly avoiding a loss by count-out. For so long, all we've had is the "Super Cena's adrenalin rush" angle, but this time we see the focus on the person in the ring who is about to win, and them being surprised when the opponent beats the count.

[Gorman]

28 minutes ago, AxB said:

 we see the focus on the person in the ring who is about to win, and them being surprised when the opponent beats the count.

Reminds me of the Conquistadores at Survivor Series 88 jumping up and down with excitement as the referee almost counted the Powers of Pain out while they were dusting off Mr. Fuji.

[AxB]

7 hours ago, Octopus said:

He’ll turn and become Apple Cassidy

If the Tournament on the Discord is anything to go by, Strawberries Cassidy would get over better here.

[HarryArchieGus]

I loved that show. The C2 24 was goddamn spectacular. Was Orlando the best AEWPPV crowd yet? I wanna lean to my hometown Toronto crowd for Forbidden Door 2023, but Orlando was fantastic. They helped make this a very special event. 

[A.M.B.]

Very surprised by the last take, I thought the crowd was kinda quiet and it feels like the overall volume at an AEW show is like 60% what it used to be. Feels like the crowd is pretty desensitized to a lot besides the big moves and nearfalls.

 

The opener was more evidence that Will Ospreay doesn’t really have much range to me. Didn’t throw any kind of Steamboat hope spots or show any fire when the crowd is giving him sympathy. Didn’t do one fire up when he made his come back. Blood didn’t prevent any of his offense from working. On his comeback he just hits 5 moves in a row and just one cover, not showing any desperation. Doesn’t help that I’ve been watching a ton of Yoshihito Sasaki lately who was the king of the bloodbath with a molten hot comeback, but this was just a typical Ospreay match with a couple shots of him looking woozy. Blood in AEW is overdone but it worked for the tournament angle.

 

Ricochet match was fine. He’s a wrestler whose entire act is athleticism, but athleticism rapidly starts waning at his age and he already doesn’t look as explosive to me, so the character work is a good direction to go in. I’ve liked what I’ve seen.

 

Didn’t watch Takeshita/Hobbs though I’d probably like it. Skipped through the Thunder Rosa match, I really don’t enjoy her and the garbage stuff and thumbtacks just make me roll my eyes now.

 

Thought Stat/Mone was nowhere near the first encounter. I’ve made it clear I find apron bumps to be an overused, lazy cheap pop. So you can imagine how I feel about this match having fucking FOUR of them. First one Mone basically no sells. and the next one is supposed to be the crux of the heat segment for some reason. Some sloppy transitions too, Mone is much better when she’s reigned in a bit (like most AEW wrestlers when I think about it). 

 

Finals were good. I hate post tournament angles unless it’s the winner saying the next step is to challenge for the world title. We spent months on this, the storyline for one night should just be Okada’s triumphant win. We’ve been waiting to see big match Okada and finally got it, that’s enough character arch for me to settle on for the night. Then establish his next feud on the next show. Even then it’s not that bad for Omega to come out, but why do two angles like this one after the other? Edge is so underwhelming in this already plodding storyline too, Omega would be better in his place. Or is Edge just playing the Hirotaka Yokoi role in this awful rendition of Stop the Matsunaga? AEW’s talent pool is so weirdly fragmented, why wouldn’t Omega want to fight against his long time enemy Moxley, who’s trying to take down the company he runs? Why keep them separate?

 

Also what exactly is Mox’s problem with AEW? No one has grit or wants to sacrifice? The things Darby Allin exemplifies more than anyone, but for some reason he hates Darby. And why are they going around trying to kill people with Draino?

 

Not my favorite show.

Edited December 30, 2024 by A.M.B.

[Matt D]

I was enjoying Ospreay/Okada until they went into the finishing stretch/50-50 in the 2nd quarter of the match. I'd have been happier with Will catching his leg on the ropes and Okada working it over for another 7 minutes as a second heat before a huge comeback/finishing stretch.

I get that they were trying to mimic the NJPW style but it would have been a much better match with an epic comeback anyway.

[Niners Fan in CT]

9 hours ago, The Natural said:

It's by far Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart at WWF WrestleMania X. *****. Only other contenders I can think of are:

• Jushin Thunder Liger vs. Brian Pillman. WCW SuperBrawl II.
• Rey Misterio Jr vs. Psicosis. WCW Bash at the Beach 1996.
• Ultimo Dragon vs. Dean Malenko. WCW Starrcade 1996.
• Kurt Angle vs. Rey Mysterio. WWE SummerSlam 2002.
• Rey Mysterio vs. Dolph Ziggler. WWE SummerSlam 2009.
• Daniel Bryan vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Sheamus vs. Wade Barrett vs. Kane vs. Sin Cara vs. Justin Gabriel vs. Heath Slater. WWE Money in the Bank 2011.
• Bray Wyatt vs. Daniel Bryan. WWE Royal Rumble 2014.
• Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H. WWE WrestleMania XXX.
• MJF vs. Darby Allin. AEW Full Gear 2021. Great shout by you. That smokes Will Ospreay/Kyle Fletcher from this show.

 

I agree with your list but the issue with the Meltzer types is that he along with some others have decided that "super athleticism"  has brought wrestling to new heights and I disagree with that.  I think "difficult moves"  are cool in doses but to me it's the story they are telling in there that means the most and that story could be as simple as someone tweaking their knee on the outside and that playing into the finish or whatever. 

Ospreay is a fantastic wrestler because I do think he has elevated his storytelling game in recent years.  He's done a nice job of blending that with his crazy ass spots but people like Dave have gone too far with the praise in my opinion. 

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

6 hours ago, Octopus said:

Totally hear and respect you.

 I think it is fair for people to take breaks from things in life. What we should do on paper is easier than real life. If someone is fighting a two or three front war, the lesser things in life is ok to turn off  instead of constant eye rolls. That much orbital movement makes me dizzy. This is less about “why do people think differently” and more “this went from 0 to 100 quickly” to the point of discourse in those spaces isn’t fun. A lot of people left Twitter or do social media less for those reasons. Especially when specific platforms continually resent what you literally blocked. Why am I seeing this much Boy Meets World content? I know and agree with what you say. But breaks are ok from things. I’m not even saying you’re saying they are not. I assume you agree with that to the point of me being silly for driving so far with this silly point. I just want that in the open that people taking care of themselves in healthy ways, whether it is proactive action (in this case sniping out specific things) or temporary removal of the toxic space (in this case focusing on other things that you need to address at the same time) is ok.

I’m sorry for implying condescension and not reading the room or trusting your good character enough to comprehend properly. I look at us as buddies.

I’m likely projecting outside issues.

 I hope I’m not coming off like an idiot

Breaks are totally fine. I take them regularly. If anything, my post about not paying attention to people whose opinions you aren't in favor of would be advocating for breaks.

What bothers me is the thought that anything critical of a product - any product, really - is "too negative". If you'll recall, I've also posted that disagreeing with someone's opinion does not make the person who posted the opinion you disagree with a troll (oddly enough, that also involved me defending Natural. What's up with people attacking Natural these last few months?). Not all criticism is automatically in bad faith, especially when most people on this board tend to analyze their wrestling rather than sit back and give it the MST3K Mantra, and if it's getting that bad for you that you literally cannot hear anything critical of a product you like without taking a triple jump-esque leap into "it's all in bad faith", then you probably should step away if you don't want to block the people making the argument.

Just to clarify, that is not a you as in Octopus you, that is a general you as in all of you. Like what you like, just don't be a jerk to others for not agreeing.

[Octopus]

8 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

Breaks are totally fine. I take them regularly. If anything, my post about not paying attention to people whose opinions you aren't in favor of would be advocating for breaks.

What bothers me is the thought that anything critical of a product - any product, really - is "too negative". If you'll recall, I've also posted that disagreeing with someone's opinion does not make the person who posted the opinion you disagree with a troll (oddly enough, that also involved me defending Natural. What's up with people attacking Natural these last few months?). Not all criticism is automatically in bad faith, especially when most people on this board tend to analyze their wrestling rather than sit back and give it the MST3K Mantra, and if it's getting that bad for you that you literally cannot hear anything critical of a product you like without taking a triple jump-esque leap into "it's all in bad faith", then you probably should step away if you don't want to block the people making the argument.

Just to clarify, that is not a you as in Octopus you, that is a general you as in all of you. Like what you like, just don't be a jerk to others for not agreeing.

Agreed.

I like Penta’s taunting and my best internet friend hates Penta’s taunting. We tease each other about that a lot. My comment was about the general level of hate we see on social media. Less about armbars and more personal about wrestlers and their spouses. 

We were both passionate and talking about parallel things and I misinterpreted. Thanks for the clarification. 

 

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

5 minutes ago, Octopus said:

Agreed.

I like Penta’s taunting and my best internet friend hates Penta’s taunting. We tease each other about that a lot. My comment was about the general level of hate we see on social media. Less about armbars and more personal about wrestlers and their spouses. 

We were both passionate and talking about parallel things and I misinterpreted. Thanks for the clarification. 

 

Now let's get on that whole "Kris Statlander and Willow Nightingale should be given the world" point. Especially if Statlander's an alien again. FORFEIT THE WORLD TO THE ALIEN AND HER FRIEND ALREADY

[Octopus]

2 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

Now let's get on that whole "Kris Statlander and Willow Nightingale should be given the world" point. Especially if Statlander's an alien again. FORFEIT THE WORLD TO THE ALIEN AND HER FRIEND ALREADY

Maybe add an Intergalactic Women’s Title

[username]

8 hours ago, Octopus said:

I think it is fair for people to take breaks from things in life.

I think breaks are essential TBF, even things we enjoy often have aspects that irk us and can sort of snowball until it sucks the fun out of things, and social media/fandom (especially for wrestling) only makes it much worse. Heck to be perfectly frank I'm currently on a brief AEW break (after Mortos lost out I got fed up and decided to take a couple weeks off, picking back up after the ppv early next year), I just dropped in to see what the reception to the ppv was. Seeing Edge is back for the wed main event just lets me know I can take a few more days off

[HarryArchieGus]

The Fletcher v Ospreay opener was wonderful. Bombs away. Juicey! Where does that one land on the all time best AEW bladejobs? Fletcher is a star. I loved the Styles Clash finish - it always gets a nice pop, but it needed this kind of big win for credibility. That was not an easy match to follow, but the Okada v Ricochet semi totally was up for the task. I love seeing Ric getting comfortable with this persona. Okada's dropkicks are the most beautiful thing in wrestling (maybe). Brutal post match bullying from Swerve and Orlando. Stoked for a Swerve-Ricochet program. Fairly good gaga here to split up the matches. Fantastic Ospreay promo. He needs more consistent mic time. Taped is fine for those weeks he's off and back in the UK. Mariah v Thunder was fair and what I expected. A decent skim, but those table set-ups etc. must be just brutal to sit thru. I hate 'Street Fight' plunder matches, but it's fascinating to see Mariah make something like this that is so easily terrible into something kinda good. Mariah's cane bit towards Daddy Rosa was good clean and mean fun. Strong nasty looking finish. MJF v Cole was fine despite the rinse repeat lame finish. I fucking hate the Panama Sunrise. Maybe my least favorite spot in wrestling. Not at all a Cole hater, but he would benefit greatly from a refresh of some of his overplayed spots. This felt like a definitive end to this atrocity of a feud (fingers crossed). Maybe the Undisputed gang can now be properly positioned as heels. Takeshita v Hobbs lived up to my expectations. Hobbs has been really solid since his return as he was here. I loved Takeshita's guillotine choke into the raging fire for the win. Wonderful! Mone v Stat made good on the rematch with more fantastic pro wrestling. Mone is on fire. I was hoping for a Willow appearance post-match, but I'll patiently await she and Stat hugging it out. Okada v Ospreay was sensational. That stretch run was unreal. I actually kinda liked Jim Ross on commentary. I was thinking about an Omega return post-match and was thrilled to see it. I love that talented sonofabitch. Less pleased to see Interim EVP Chris Daniels. Please end this character. Please!?! Ugh, not a fan of what the posturing in front of the All In banner means. Holding off til July for Okada-Omega feels like more questionable AEW timing. I can't stand Fatal 4 ways, but I like all the participants in the Main Event, and the build was fair, so I was game for Mox v OC v Hanger v White. It met my low expectations fine. That said, the first run of Death Riders interference ending with a small lowly amount of security running off the heels was really lame. Ppl beat the shit out of these black shirt clowns weekly. I kinda liked Mox outsmarting the babyfaces by making a match where all his stablemates could interfere. I do however wish they'd stop booking multi-person first fall main events on PPV. The Copeland/FTR post match stuff fell a touch flat, but kinda dug Cope's anger. I'm very much game for a Death Riders-Rated FTR program. I really liked this Orlando crowd. To the poster who questioned my previous praise, I thought this crowd got up where needed many times over. There were some early portions of matches that were quiet, but that's the consequence of a 4 hour plus night of pro wrestling. It's important to note that I'm comparing this to other PPV crowds not 2 hour TV crowds - it's a significant difference. AEDub with yet another outstanding PPV. Such a fun way to spend a Sunday afternoon.

Edited December 30, 2024 by HarryArchieGus

[dorfus malorfus]

8 hours ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

I think that's the best way I've heard it put yet.  His mind was blown in 2017 and now he's spun out on a permanent trip

I still think Dave's great BTW, he's just Dave

Two people's brains were never the same after that Okada title run: Shibata's, and Dave's.