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WORLDS END II - 12/28/2024

Dolfan in NYC

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Craig H

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Wardlow is vanilla as fuck. Can't talk, a haircut of all things set him back, injury prone, etc. If you want a comp that is by all metrics better, Bron Breakker is right there. The one and only thing Wardlow had going for him was a winning streak.

Wardlow would be better off going to NXT and getting the same lessons Pillman Jr. is getting now. The foundation is there for something really good beyond what his ceiling is now, but he's not going to achieve or find that in AEW.

Dude had his chance and the first time he got on the mic as a babyface it was clear his charisma only goes so far. AEW has way, way better beefy dudes that are entertaining to watch with Brody being at the top of that list.

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stuntmanc

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2 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

The Wardlow slander in this thread lol. It's the booking that failed Wardlow, not the performer. Agents have certainly made him downshift from what he's capable of as well. It's like Hogan telling The Giant to stop hitting Missel Dropkicks and kip ups and start doing more nerve holds like Andre.

Everyone is entitled to like / dislike whatever performer they want. But if they take the shackles off of Wardlow he can heat up real quick and get over again.

One of my biggest issues with MJF is that his backstage bullshit cut the balls off of what was Wardlows big moment.  He killed MJF on that PPV, then all the contract shit, then MJF is cutting a smarky "fucking mark" promo that basically overshadowed everything Wardlow had going. 

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Craig H

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I thought Goldberg talking in the early days was a nice change of pace from all of the other typical wrestling promos. He sounded fired up and authentic cutting UFC-esque promos. They kept things to a couple minutes and then that was enough.

It's when he would have interview segments where things went worse.

stuntmanc

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12 hours ago, dorfus malorfus said:

Lesnar is worse on the mic than any of the other big dudes mentioned above 

I'd agree he is worse on the mic, but has far better facial mannerisms and physical charisma than all combined.  But yeah, his mic skills are not it.

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stuntmanc

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14 minutes ago, stuntmanc said:

I'd agree he is worse on the mic, but has far better facial mannerisms and physical charisma than all combined.  But yeah, his mic skills are not it.

To piggyback onto this, I dare say that Goldberg or Wardlow with mildly superior mic skills were never and will never be in a segment as entertaining as R-Truth/Brock's pre-rumble interaction and while that was mostly R-Truth, Brock's reaction put the absolute cherry on top.

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The Natural

The Natural

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1 hour ago, stuntmanc said:

To piggyback onto this, I dare say that Goldberg or Wardlow with mildly superior mic skills were never and will never be in a segment as entertaining as R-Truth/Brock's pre-rumble interaction and while that was mostly R-Truth, Brock's reaction put the absolute cherry on top.

Truth's a treasure.

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stuntmanc

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9 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Truth's a treasure.

Nothing to do with AEW v WWE, but I wish Truth wasn't a WWE Lifer.  I'd love to see him interacting with some people in AEW and the indies.

Because let's face it, Truthhausen would be the greatest tag team ever assembled.

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Dolfan in NYC

Dolfan in NYC

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14 hours ago, dorfus malorfus said:

Lesnar is worse on the mic than any of the other big dudes mentioned above 

Counterpoint:

 

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Mike Campbell

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I've been calling the Wardlow return at the PPV from the moment that Cole vs. MJF was made official. Wardlow turns on MJF (hell they planted the seed for their issues three days after the Undisputed Kingdom was formed) and MJF and Wardlow are back to being a thing.

 

My Continental Classic prediction is Ospreay vs. Okada and Fletcher vs. Claudio to set up the Ospreay/Fletcher rematch. And since we won't know how the C2 shakes out until Wednesday (theoretically). That leaves all of the C2 guys without anything else going on, so I'm figuring a Contintental 8 man tag. Garcia/Darby/Briscoe/Komander vs. Shelton/Ricochet/Brody/Mortos

Gordi the BJW fan

Gordi the BJW fan

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Lemme tellya something, brother! Nobody is interested in The Moxter vs just one man! If you want to make it seem fair, Moxter needs to destroy at least three of the best wrestlers on the roster, brother!

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tbarrie

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3 hours ago, Mike Campbell said:

My Continental Classic prediction is Ospreay vs. Okada and Fletcher vs. Claudio to set up the Ospreay/Fletcher rematch.

Is that possible, though? I agree that Okada and Fletcher are moving on from the Blue League, but I don't think there's any result for the last two matches that leads to Okada ending as #1 and Fletcher as #2. So we're proposing Fletcher wins the Blue League with Okada as runner-up, which means your scenario requires Ospreay to win the Gold League and Claudio to be the runner-up.

So is that possible? Obviously Ospreay would need to beat Brody to get to 9 points. And Claudio would need to lose to Komander so he doesn't end ahead of Ospreay on points. And Ospreay beat Claudio, so this would result in Ospreay being ahead of Claudio. So far so good. But of course O'Shea can't win or even draw against Darby or he's ahead of both of them, so Darby would have to beat O'Shea. Which puts Claudio, Darby, Ospreay, and O'Shea all at 9 points. Looking at tiebreakers, in this scenario Claudio and Darby would have each won two of their three matches against the other 9-pointers while Ospreay and O'Shea would have won only one out of three. So I think that gives us Claudio as the winner with Darby as the runner-up, which doesn't lead to the matchups you propose.

My prediction is that we do get Fletcher either beating or drawing Garcia, and Okada beats Benjamin, putting Fletcher in first place and Okada in second. In the Gold League, I'm going to say O'Shea either beats or draws with Darby, Komander upsets Claudio, and of course Ospreay beats Brody. That gives us O'Shea as the winner and Ospreay as the runner-up, so the semis would be Fletcher vs Ospreay and O'Shea vs Okada.

3 hours ago, Mike Campbell said:

And since we won't know how the C2 shakes out until Wednesday (theoretically). That leaves all of the C2 guys without anything else going on, so I'm figuring a Contintental 8 man tag. Garcia/Darby/Briscoe/Komander vs. Shelton/Ricochet/Brody/Mortos

I still think adding a Darby vs Claudio grudge match makes sense.

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dorfus malorfus

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I noticed after the first vignette they pretty much stopped pushing the narrative of Okada wanting to beat Chono's record 5 G1 wins (by winning 4 G1s...and 1 Continental Classic...). Do we think it's possible he was originally booked to win and they've since decided Fletcher or Ospreay need the win more? 

Is Darby mathematically eliminated? If Suwama was booking this you could be sure that two straight losses to Claudio within the span of a month meant Darby is beating Claudio in the final and that Okada, Ospreay and Fletcher were red herrings. 

tbarrie

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11 minutes ago, dorfus malorfus said:

I noticed after the first vignette they pretty much stopped pushing the narrative of Okada wanting to beat Chono's record 5 G1 wins (by winning 4 G1s...and 1 Continental Classic...). Do we think it's possible he was originally booked to win and they've since decided Fletcher or Ospreay need the win more?

It's certainly possible, yes.

11 minutes ago, dorfus malorfus said:

Is Darby mathematically eliminated?

No. If he beats O'Shea and Ospreay beats or ties with Brody, Darby moves on.

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The Natural

The Natural

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On 12/12/2024 at 9:34 PM, Dolfan in NYC said:

Hey, it's almost the end of the year.  And for Kwanzaa this year, Tony has brought to you, the 2nd edition of World's End! 

From the Addition Financial Arena, in Orlando...  (I prefer Pemdas Financial myself!)

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THE CARD~

FOUR WAY MATCH FOR THE AEW CHAMPIONSHIP - Jon Moxley (c) defeats Orange Cassidy, "Hangman" Adam Page, and Jay White

TIJUANA STREET FIGHT FOR THE WOMEN'S CHAMPIONSHIP - Mariah May (c) vs. Thunder Rosa 

FOR THE TBS CHAMPIONSHIP - Mercedes Mone (c) vs. Kris Statlander

FOR THE INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP - Konosuke Takeshita (c) vs. Powerhouse Hobbs

FOR THE AEW DYNAMITE DIAMOND RING - MJF (incumbent) vs. Adam Cole (bb)

CONTINENTAL CLASSIC SEMIFINAL - Gold 1 (Ricochet) vs. Blue 2 (Kazuchika Okada (c))

CONTINENTAL CLASSIC SEMIFINAL - Blue 1 (Kyle Fletcher) vs. Gold 2 (Will Ospreay)

FINALS OF THE CONTINENTAL CLASSIC FOR THE AEW CONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP

 

 

 

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More to come.  

*Semifinal Matches listed with current standings

Only matches I'd like to see are Mariah May vs. Thunder Rosa and Mercedes Mone vs. Kris Statlander. MJF vs. Adam Cole is the worst feud two years running and one of the worst feuds ever.

The Natural

The Natural

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Just now, The Natural said:

Only matches I'd like to see are Mariah May vs. Thunder Rosa and Mercedes Mone vs. Kris Statlander. MJF vs. Adam Cole is the worst feud two years running and one of the worst feuds ever.

Trying to think of other worst feuds two years running.

just drew

just drew

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1 hour ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

Bret Hart vs Jerry Lawler. Two years of endlessly insufferable matches where Lawler never looked like he had a chance.

That’s a good shout. Even as a kid I hated that shit.

tbarrie

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1 hour ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

Bret Hart vs Jerry Lawler. Two years of endlessly insufferable matches where Lawler never looked like he had a chance.

I can't speak to the quality of the matches - I haven't watched them in years - but isn't complaining that Lawler never looked like he had a chance sort of like complaining that Michael Cole never looked like he had a chance against Lawler in their Wrestlemania match? Lawler was cast in the role of "Loud-mouthed announcer who constantly ran down a wrestling legend, though everybody knew he wasn't fit to tie said legend's boots". It would have made no sense to portray Lawler as a threat to Hart in a fair fight.

(One of the fun things about the Lawler/Cole feud was that a lot of it mirrored Lawler/Hart, except Lawler switched roles. As I recall, their match at 'Mania borrowed much of its structure from Hart vs Lawler at Summerslam.)

Stefanie Sparkleface

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29 minutes ago, tbarrie said:

I can't speak to the quality of the matches - I haven't watched them in years - but isn't complaining that Lawler never looked like he had a chance sort of like complaining that Michael Cole never looked like he had a chance against Lawler in their Wrestlemania match? Lawler was cast in the role of "Loud-mouthed announcer who constantly ran down a wrestling legend, though everybody knew he wasn't fit to tie said legend's boots". It would have made no sense to portray Lawler as a threat to Hart in a fair fight.

(One of the fun things about the Lawler/Cole feud was that a lot of it mirrored Lawler/Hart, except Lawler switched roles. As I recall, their match at 'Mania borrowed much of its structure from Hart vs Lawler at Summerslam.)

I mean, if Michael Cole vs Jerry Lawler ran for two years, that'd be just as awful.

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